That might be. But if you believe something, it does change the way you act. If it didn't, how do can anyone tell that you actually believe it? I was under the impression (for instance) that Christians were obliged to take the word of Jesus out into the world and save other peoples souls. It is a sin for them not to. So how exactly does that work with "not shoving it down other peoples throat"?It's a perfectly reasonable proposition to believe in something without seeing fit to harm/kill somebody who doesn't believe the same thing.
Morals and correctness are also somewhat separate in cases like the above. Plagues, wars and medical stuff used to wipe out huge amounts of the population keeping it a little bit in control. Now people are living longer, dyeing less and helping everywhere else to do the same. Morally right but possibly a bit stupid thanks to overpopulation, food and water shortages, conflict over land and resources increasing. So in the end it may end up being much more destructive and lethal than not doing the right thing to start with.
Morals and logic are different and by relying on morals alone you put yourself in danger of doing more damage.
It is a mess now in various wars, WW2 civilians were killed left, right and centre. Now a group of ten innocents mistakenly done in by a cruse missile from hundreds of kilometres away is a massive tragedy. There is a definite disconnect between morals and the 'right' thing, it all depends on your situation.
Population control - suddenly enough land and food to go around without all those extra mouths to feed
Unemployment rate - Someones gotta do the work of those who've been killed
New technology (computers, internet, satellites, mobile phones, etc)
Having an external foe to focus your efforts on reduces internal problems
I'm sure there's more.
Maybe the answer to many of our current political problems is to invade Poland?
I can seriously see another world war in my lifetime. Horrible thought.
Whilst there are parts of this video I don't believe (lots of parts take this idea to a degree I find preposterous), it's certainly interesting viewing if you have a couple of hours to spare: Wake Up Call - Remastered Edition - Full Movie - YouTube
In a nutshell, it provides convincing evidence supporting the idea that the super-rich have been sat behind the scenes for years pulling the strings on our society in a bid to eventually have total control over the planet. Sounds very far fetched I know but honestly, it is worth watching even if you're a complete sceptic.
EDIT: just to bring it back to topic a little, there's some very interesting footage of some high level US politicians taking part in a secret religious cult and performing a fake human sacrifice to a giant owl (I kid you not!), with a follow up interview with one of the said politicians that goes quite awry...
Last edited by LosOjos; 20th September 2012 at 04:57 PM.
stevenlong1985 (21st September 2012)
Clearly, it was not meant literally, I don't really believe there are atheists out there shaking religious folk 'til they're blue in the face (though there may well be!), I was obviously using an analogy to paint a caricature of the kind of person I was referring to, as most people seem to have understood.
This is the last time I'm responding to you now, as I don't have time to hold your hand and painstakingly explain exactly what I mean by every statement I make, nor do I care to.
The implication seemed to be, sans shaking, that these "extreme atheists" want more than simply to state that all such belief is foolish. Either that or it's not a problem of meaning it literally (and I didn't think you meant shaking them), you didn't actually mean ANYTHING.
You don't have to hold my hand, no, but to blame someone else for misinterpreting your lack of clarity is ... a bit rich. Do carry on though.
That film is so fun it got to be a mickey take they need to get in on the joke. It a bit like the life of Brain but with Muhammad as the focus.
While following it avidly, I'm staying largely out of this discussion. Religious extremity disturbs me deeply, as do the the people who indulge in it.
In fact, religious belief disturbs me, it doesn't have to be very extreme at all.
I see France is gearing up for trouble as a French magazine published some more of "those" cartoons.
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