It mentions the crusades, excuses them for being the Christians getting back stolen lands - which isnt always true - and then moves on quickly, mentioning that Christians dont do that sort of thing anymore. I interpreted that as being a sop to those who say "what about the crusades though" and an implication that the muslims are a bit backward or uncivilised as they are still persecuting other religions. (course Christians never do that..dont mention the war)
Still annoyed about the hate thing though
witch (24th September 2012)
Like I say, to me that's a perfect "excuse". I certainly wouldn't expect to be walking down the street and have a Muslim take retribution against me what Richard the Third did. WW2 happened a short time ago, so if someone can have a dislike of a religion/race/etc based on something which happened 500 years ago surely the correct opinion to have against a German is "hate"?then moves on quickly, mentioning that Christians dont do that sort of thing anymore. I interpreted that as being a sop to those who say "what about the crusades though"
That's where the whole "hate" bit comes into play. Obviously my sarcasm and the subtext don't translate well on the internet.
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LosOjos (24th September 2012)
what people need to have is compassion and forgiveness, and show caring. not just Christians especially those from the "other Site" which i should have checked but Muslims, well everyone relay. a deep love for each other. not hate.
The sad thing is though, that many people across the world DO blame others for things that were done hundreds of years ago. Expecting modern governments to apologise for something their predecessors from many many years before did is an example of this (eg slavery)
So you can't see another reason (so there can't possibly be one), you dismiss their stated reasons (they are upset by what they see as an insult), and you ignore the possibility I've put forward (they just want to protest). I'd say that while you are entitled to your opinion, it's a pretty narrow minded one.And I agree with that poster. The protests are based entirely on flawed thinking. They are committing idolatry by their own religious texts, they are protesting in weird places (Birmingham? what relevance has that got to a film made by one American loon?), their religious texts don't apply to non-believers, so why should non-believers pay any attention to it?
So, the reasons do come down to them seeming to want to cause trouble. Are we not entitled to our own opinion, or do the freedom of speech rights not apply to us?Flawed thinking of course! Logic and reason do not apply (see post 3 in the thread!) but if people are to be free to believe whatever they wish, then asking for logic and reason is just YOUR value judgement.
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Any discussion where people disagree can be called an argument. I don't agree with many of the views expressed by people in here. In many cases it's not because I think they are logically wrong, it's more because in the subject matter of belief, logic does not necessarily apply. I think I've made reasonable points on that and been reasonably clear on the why. Characterising me as being "just out for an argument" is just swinging rhetorical handbags. I try to submit considered posts which I (perhaps delusionally) hope will provoke some thought. I also genuinely hope people will respond and challenge my view. I find that useful in developing my view of the world and <gasp> sometimes even learning new things (I generally do 'learn' more from people I disagree with). So if that constitutes just being in it for the "argument" then count me in and bring it on! I understand you though, will not be responding - or at least you have said so a number of times so if repetition is any indication of your intent, then I'm sure it must be true. (hey, maybe I can do rhetorical handbags too!).
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