Not really sure what the problem is. You have to have a Live/PSN account to play most console games nowadays as most games focus on online multiplayer. Yes it's seems like a con but it isn't actually going to affect many people.
IMO there's absolutely no point jumping to conclusions regarding XBO vs PS4 until they actually come out as both companies have moved the goal posts on multiple occasions already.
It's pretty pointless quoting te number of live players with the implication that the remaining 30m xboxs sold are all used by offline players. How many are ones people bought as replacements and more significantly how many are sat unused gathering dust? Going by my circle of friends this number will be much higher than you think - all of my close mates have consoles, only 3 actually use them, including me.
the real question is how many people who will use services such as Netflix don't have live? I stand by my statement that this will be a tiny number.
Last edited by j17sparky; 8th August 2013 at 07:23 PM.
I don't see a problem with paying for online services. They cost money to provide, so it makes sense to charge for them.
£40 a year for the service is reasonable imo.
Pay to use a web browser, Skype and view Netflix content? That's a joke tbh - those are standard software features! On top of that you can pay for the privilege of having your YouTube etc vids tracked so they can "recommend" you videos (no doubt slanted towards whoever pays the most to MS in ad revenue)
FIFA14 will be out on PS3 so that'll be enough to keep me happy for another year, anything else will be played on PC as these next gen consoles are taking rip off to a whole new level. Dread to wonder what they'll do once a large enough user base has been established and people are locked into the platform.
Won't be going near the Xbone with a large bargepole, PS4 will wait and reserve judgement after it's been out for a while but not convinced by either tbh.
The sad thing is kids growing up with this will accept this kind of behaviour as the norm, makes the cult of Apple look like hippies in comparison
Last edited by gshaw; 8th August 2013 at 10:29 PM.
Like I say, won't affect you... persumably you weren't going to folk out £400 on one of these consoles just to watch netflix? :P
And like I previously said, how many people own the current gen consoles but don't actually play them, thus making the quoting of total sales figures pointless when trying to figure out offline users.
I know quite a few people that have PS3/XBL that have them and dont play online. I could count the amount of people that I know that have consoles and pay for online services on two fingers and one of them is me (only started last month too) after nearly 7 years of last-gen gaming.
It may not affect you, but it is going to affect many, many people.
I think that, as the gaming audience matures (and has children), online gaming will become less and less central - at least in the existing incarnation of Live Gold etc.
I don't have the time to devote months to one game without missing out on dozens of other games (I probably manage 3 hours of gaming a week these days), and I absolutely cannot play a game that won't let me pause. Single player games that I can enjoy in half hour chunks are all I can play now.
We'll probably see new online models - like Journey, or more async multiplayer - but the services that pander to the hardcore won't suit everyone.
Move forwards to today and a gold subscription means you continue to get bombarded by adverts on every UI screen. A pathetic avatar system appeared to extract more money from you with advertisiments for brands or games (digital branded clothing, seriously?). Market prices hiked up and payment was required to do anything with the console beyond playing a single-player game or watching iPlayer (and only because the BBC refused to allow payment under legal requirements for free access). A number of services are included with Gold for streaming music or video, but they are followed by "Additional subscription required."
I cancelled my XBox Live account because I didn't use the console a lot. The reason I didn't use it a lot was the service turned from a usable games system into an advertisement board demanding ever increasing sums of money from it's users. XBox One won't be any different except it now locks marketed console features behind the paywall, even though you've paid them hundreds of pounds they still don't care about you if you don't pay. PS4 I considered, but because it is no longer a free service I doubt it will be much different.
So the way it currently stands, my next-gen alliegance is currently remaining on PC with a Wii-U for first party titles where multiplayer is free making it perfect for me since I use consoles occasionally rendering their subscriptions pointless.
People appear to be forgetting that the PS4 will come with a £40 a year subscription for some of it features, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
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