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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    you pretend to hold a steering wheel and drive but i meant forza is 2 discs never tried it it seems a silly idea
    OMG! I can't think of anything worse for a "realistic" driving game! Please Sony never make Gran Tourismo require PS Move.

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    Mandatory kinect, this is a problem for people that DONT have the space. We had to completely re-arrange our front room to get the space needed for the kinect configuration. So, covering the sensor bar and not using it, problem solved. I prefer to use a controller to holding my arms out for an invisible steering wheel!

    As for always on connections, in the western world, this should not be a problem, always on broadband (either by copper or fibre) is there for every household now. If you have a landline telephone, you can have broadband.

    Mandatory installs of games? GOOD!! I install every game I play, and the installation has made the game load quicker and play smoother, I have a selection of 6 installed on my HDD at any one point, If I complete a game or max out the achievements, then I uninstall the game and move onto the next and trade in the game (Bourne Conspiracy, Sega Collection etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    OMG! I can't think of anything worse for a "realistic" driving game! Please Sony never make Gran Tourismo require PS Move.
    worse but at least funny is a driving game using a dance mat lol. but yes its like racing games on a tablet or mariokart wii with that wheel i gave that up quickly too and used a controller much less frustrating

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    OMG! I can't think of anything worse for a "realistic" driving game! Please Sony never make Gran Tourismo require PS Move.
    worse but at least funny is a driving game using a dance mat lol. but yes its like racing games on a tablet or mariokart wii with that wheel i gave that up quickly too and used a controller much less frustrating

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    OMG! I can't think of anything worse for a "realistic" driving game! Please Sony never make Gran Tourismo require PS Move.
    Wii... Mario Kart...

    Also, 3DS Mario Kart.


    It actually works pretty well.

    Also, regarding my previous comment:

    What's more, the Kinect camera sensor will be able to pick up six individual "skeletons" occupying one room at the same time, anytime. There's definite "we're watching you" implications with this, including possible relation to a newly-patented Microsoft system that monitors and possibly charges users "based on who is watching what."
    From techradar

    God dammit Microsoft!

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    The required Kinect may well be related to the IllumiRoom concept they've been bouncing about:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1EatGRV0w

    Also, Mario Kart Wii with the steering wheel was a PITA. Far too imprecise and prone to suddenly deciding you were steering the other way. Good for a laugh, maybe, but no use if you actually want to play.

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    Just because it isnt required does not mean it will have to be used, just a more attractive dev target. Also the new connect sensors for PCs have better optics and work in much closer, the 720 one is newer so should be fine for smaller spaces.

    @x13 the 360 takes usb storage now as memory cards are gone as of the 360 slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    @x13 the 360 takes usb storage now as memory cards are gone as of the 360 slim.
    I know. It was still a [censored?] move though.

    And moving to USB just looks like they knew the courts would take Datel's side, so they made them obsolete another way.

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    Been lurking on this thread for a while. All I can say now is I won't be buying a next-gen console. At all. The WiiU doesn't look too bad, but I'd honestly never use it. Sony's PS3 and its confirmed always-on DRM and no-game-sharing can $profanity off.

    Microsoft's Xbox 720, even if it doesn't have always-on DRM, it seems nigh-confirmed that it WILL require Kinect and WILL require games to be 'installed' (which I suspect will be less 'installed' and more 'copied contests from game disk to local hard disk). Now, I don't mind installing games on my PC with my brand new 2TB HDD, that's fine-and-dandy. But it defeats the concept of 'put disk in, play game instantly' that (I feel) helped raise consoles to their popularity. The optional install for faster load times was a great idea, but let's just keep it optional. The mandatory Kinect seems pointless. The Xbox has always marketed at the less casual end of the market, IMO, and motion control, in my experiences, is often seen as 'just a gimmick' by the less casual gamers. Perhaps it's not, maybe it's the best thing since sliced bread and we're all wrong about it, but forcing it on us isn't the right way to make us see that. My 360 Elite isn't hooked up to the internet. I like it that way. I don't play games online with my 360 - and I like my gaming devices (such as both the PC's in the house) to be hardwired to the router because my wireless gets a lot of jitter. I've only laid 2 cable runs and I don't want to be swapping cables around from my PC to my (hypothetical) 720 each time I want to play a game (single-player!)

    These are all - individually - minor gripes. But it's minor inconvenience after minor inconvenience and, to me, they're all starting to stack up. I consider 'always on DRM' to be a stupid idea and I feel it's - in part - to do with data collection about usage rather than anti-piracy. The no-resell is both immoral and illegal as far as I'm concerned, so I'm very much against that. I like a controller, I don't like being forced to install games when half the appeal of a console, to me, is the fact you don't have to install games, and grumble grumble grumble moan moan whine whine.

    This is all, I stress, my opinions. Some people aren't bothered about always-on DRM because their devices are always connected anyway, and I understand that. Some people aren't going to be fussed about the mandatory installs because they already do it for their PC games, or their xbox games all get installed anyway for quicker loading. Maybe I'm just being a whiny sod. I just feel it's not for me due to the direction they're taking it.
    Last edited by Garacesh; 12th February 2013 at 11:29 AM.

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    Won't somebody think of the children?

    Just thought I'd pop that in there! I've also been lurking and agree with all the anti-DRM "whining". I rarely play the xbox, now that it's in the stepson's room, but should he want a 720 in the future, and it ALWAYS needs a connection to play games, where does that leave internet child security? At the moment, he has a small window of opportunity to play online (6.30-9-30pm), after that the router switches his web feed off, and although he CAN play offline, he chooses not to. This was implemented to get him to do homework, etc, etc.

    Now, it seems that this will be stymied by Microsoft wanting it to be always on. This would be unacceptable to me, as a parent, as it takes away a level of control.

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    I also have an issue with child use but from another angle. I have young children and removed the kinect device as they are going through a phase of walking around the house without any clothes on. Does not mater how often you put the clothes on them, before you know it they have removed them. It did not sit well with me having them walk in front of a camera (kinect) switched on that is connected to a device which is connected to the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    I also have an issue with child use but from another angle. I have young children and removed the kinect device as they are going through a phase of walking around the house without any clothes on. Does not mater how often you put the clothes on them, before you know it they have removed them. It did not sit well with me having them walk in front of a camera (kinect) switched on that is connected to a device which is connected to the internet.
    I'm sure Kinect is fine with that [Presently.]

    Microsoft don't want to be sued for accidental child pornography.

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    Link from Kotaku about the new xbox.
    Might be just the same article that's on TechRadar but oh well.

    ...and post 87.
    Last edited by Ghostgame; 12th February 2013 at 04:50 PM. Reason: Look below. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostgame View Post
    Might be just the same article that's on TechRadar but oh well.
    ...and post #87.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    ...and post #87.
    and nearly post #88 [Because I didn't read #87 properly.]

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    Seems to be very creepy, esp when you tie it in with their patents regarding scanning how many people you have in front of TV this, the locking off of games was to be expected though, considering the console makers hate the whole "second hand resale" market.

    Only thing I think it will do being too far OTT with this RL DRM is stop people being interested in the video games.

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