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    Valve to release its own 'tightly controlled' console-like PC for the living room

    It's official! Valve are indeed working on their own console.

    Source: The Verge

    Valve will release its own console-like PC for the living room
    Valve has stayed mostly quiet about its plans to enter the hardware business, but in an interview with Kotaku at last night's Video Game Awards, Gabe Newell confirmed the company's plans to sell its own living room PC that could compete with next-generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft. The biggest revelation is that Valve seems set to release its own complete hardware and software solution. When we first reported that the company was working on a "Steam Box" back in March, it appeared that Valve was working on a prototype that would establish a baseline for hardware manufacturers, but it wasn't clear if the company would sell its own product or simply release the designs to others. Newell's comments to Kotaku provide a much clearer picture of what's happening; Newell said that he expects companies to start selling PCs designed for the living room next year which Kotaku says could have Steam preloaded and that Valve will create its own distinct package.

    Newell suggests that the company will create its own carefully managed PC ecosystem that's distinct from the one offered by other hardware partners a possibility that our own Sean Hollister exposed after looking at the company's comments and actions in recent years, including its aversion to Windows 8, its recent embrace of Linux, and its existing push into the living room with Steam's Big Picture Mode. Newell tells Kotaku that "our hardware will be a very controlled environment," and that some people will want a "turnkey" solution for their living room. "The nice thing about a PC is a lot of different people can try out different solutions," he said. "Customers can find the ones that work best for them."

    As a digital distribution platform, Steam is wildly successful, with more than five million concurrent users on any given day and over 50 million users in total (by comparison, Xbox Live has more than 40 million users). But Valve doesn't reap any income from the sale of hardware that runs its platform or the software it hosts, and the company doesn't control Windows, which is the most popular platform among computers running Steam.

    Newell stopped short of saying that the company was building a Linux-based Steam OS, but he reportedly said that the next step for the company's living room operation is to enable Big Picture on Steam for Linux. From there, the timeline is still pretty murky we only know that Newell expects some hardware to show up sometime next year but Valve's intent to compete in the living room in a big way is no longer a secret.

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    That explains the Linux push. I just hope they don't do a Google and end up making their own branch of Linux then isolating it from the rest of the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    That explains the Linux push. I just hope they don't do a Google and end up making their own branch of Linux then isolating it from the rest of the community.
    How have Google done this? The source code for both Android and Chromeos are freely available to developers under open source licenses.

    http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os
    http://source.android.com/source/licenses.html

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    not sure what the current situation is but this is what he is refering to:

    linux kernel monkey log

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxide54 View Post
    not sure what the current situation is
    The source for android is here
    http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html

    Android is just like any other Linux distribution. You're free to modify it, copy it and hack it all you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    The source for android is here
    Downloading the Source Tree | Android Open Source

    Android is just like any other Linux distribution. You're free to modify it, copy it and hack it all you want.
    Nope They changed it recently to try to stop it becoming so spread out. As there's so many versions of it now.

    Code:
    3.4 You agree that you will not take any actions that may cause or result in the fragmentation of Android, including but not limited to distributing, participating in the creation of, or promoting in any way a software development kit derived from the SDK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    Android is just like any other Linux distribution. You're free to modify it, copy it and hack it all you want.
    ...but you can't download the source for the next release (Android 5.0) or any of Google's own apps!

    Other Linux distros are developed in the open and you can almost always get the source to the next version while people are actively working on it. e.g. Ubuntu 13.04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve21 View Post
    They changed it recently to try to stop it becoming so spread out. As there's so many versions of it now.
    I think the main reason Google changed the T&C's was to stop Aliyun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve21 View Post
    Nope They changed it recently to try to stop it becoming so spread out. As there's so many versions of it now.

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    3.4 You agree that you will not take any actions that may cause or result in the fragmentation of Android, including but not limited to distributing, participating in the creation of, or promoting in any way a software development kit derived from the SDK.
    Terms and Conditions | Android Developers

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    That's the T+Cs for the SDK. Android is published under Apache and GPL licenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    ...but you can't download the source for the next release (Android 5.0) or any of Google's own apps!

    Other Linux distros are developed in the open and you can almost always get the source to the next version while people are actively working on it. e.g. Ubuntu 13.04.
    There's loads of Linux apps that are closed source. And I can't download RHEL 7 or the next version of Oracle yet.... I don't really see the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    That's the T+Cs for the SDK. Android is published under Apache and GPL licenses.
    Doesn't that include pretty much everything?
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    referred to in this License Agreement as the "SDK" and specifically including the Android system files, packaged APIs, and Google APIs add-ons
    Not sure what you're left with without any system files, APis or addons? If you want any apps to work on the end platform surely you need to use those APIs etc?

    *Edit - Bearing in the mind the SDK change is from 4.2 as well, from how I understand it it's changing the whole license to Android from then. Past ones obviously not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve21 View Post
    Doesn't that include pretty much everything?
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    referred to in this License Agreement as the "SDK" and specifically including the Android system files, packaged APIs, and Google APIs add-ons
    Not sure what you're left with without any system files, APis or addons? If you want any apps to work on the end platform surely you need to use those APIs etc?

    *Edit - Bearing in the mind the SDK change is from 4.2 as well, from how I understand it it's changing the whole license to Android from then. Past ones obviously not

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    So the SDK is used for developing applications that run on Android. It includes emulators and such like. The Operating system is licensed under Apache 2.0 and GPL. The license can't be changed. You can download the source code for 4.2 using repo (written by google and published as OSS) here: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest

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    Thanks CyberNerd!

    Back on topic, nVidia claims that PC games will outsell console games by 2014, so Valve's new console does make sense. I wonder how much it will cost?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Thanks CyberNerd!

    Back on topic, nVidia claims that PC games will outsell console games by 2014, so Valve's new console does make sense. I wonder how much it will cost?
    I'm guessing it's more a don't make money, but keep people using steam kind of move. With the large influx of living room devices from consoles, to smart TVs etc, combined with every company bringing out their own "steam platform" and some like EA limiting games to their own platform, there seems little reason to use steam to buy nowadays.

    I used to use steam a lot as it was an all-in-one place, that gave downloads that most companies didn't. Nowadays you can find lots of places that download their games, and to be honest steam annoys me with the amount of updates etc every week.

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