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24-07-2008, 11:17 PM
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Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 53    |  Who tripped over the patch lead? - Running Slower Currently, when tested using three of the countries major ISPs (Different sites + home) I am experiencing load times of up to four minutes per page. The initial header comes up in about 10 seconds; the first post takes about a minute more and the rest of the content takes around 3 minutes to show up. This has just been happening over the last few days, it was slow before but now it practically unusable. I open up all of the possibly interesting pages in new tabs and go and do something else to give them time to load. I have tried other UK based sites, like the various school sites and other .uk sites that have been posted lately which all come in at a reasonable speed. So I can only assume that it is Fasthosts (a total idiom) messing about or a bad route somewhere between NZ and Fasthosts providers. Has anyone else that is international noticed any additional delays in accessing the site lately or is it just New Zealand that is getting routed via a dialup modem somewhere in Cuba? |
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24-07-2008, 11:20 PM
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Rep Power: 25 |  Can you show some traceroutes from your box to EduGeek.net All fine from here, and ISPs tested in Germany and Holland, but not quite as far as nz  |
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24-07-2008, 11:37 PM
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Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 53 | Thanks for the reply, heres a couple from different ISPs: Code: Tracing route to www.edugeek.net [88.208.233.228] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 45 ms 42 ms 43 ms XXXX.nct.orcon.net.nz [X.X.X.X] 3 42 ms 42 ms 43 ms ge-0-0-3-200.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.17] 4 44 ms 43 ms 43 ms ge-0-3-0-200.cr1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.9.1] 5 93 ms 43 ms 43 ms ge-2-2-0.gw4.akl1.asianetcom.net [203.192.166.69 ] 6 44 ms 43 ms 42 ms gi9-3.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.209] 7 203 ms 203 ms 202 ms po8-3.gw1.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.206] 8 352 ms 351 ms 352 ms 83.245.126.12 9 394 ms 368 ms 370 ms osr-hsd-gw3-tenge82.network.virginmedia.net [194 .117.136.161] 10 366 ms 364 ms 365 ms gsr-hsd-gw1-ge10.network.virginmedia.net [194.11 7.136.145] 11 365 ms 367 ms 367 ms nassau-pos20.network.virginmedia.net [194.117.13 6.1] 12 356 ms 356 ms 357 ms osr02azte-ge46.network.virginmedia.net [195.188. 230.25] 13 370 ms 495 ms 436 ms osr01stav-tenge81.network.virginmedia.net [195.1 88.230.74] 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 349 ms 350 ms 351 ms pc3.prt0.fhcon.fasthosts.net.uk [88.208.255.2] 16 360 ms 359 ms 359 ms pc1.hrt0.fhcon.fasthosts.net.uk [88.208.255.14] 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Code: Tracing route to www.edugeek.net [88.208.233.228] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 57 ms 51 ms 50 ms internal [10.10.0.24] 2 52 ms 53 ms 54 ms internal 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 64 ms 74 ms 61 ms fe-4-1.cat01-sky01.iconz.net [210.48.5.73] 5 71 ms 69 ms 71 ms fe-0-0.anc-sky01.iconz.net [210.48.5.82] 6 62 ms 68 ms 63 ms Gi-1-0-411.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net [202.147.41.2 5] 7 253 ms 253 ms 245 ms po0-0.gw1.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.50.129] 8 412 ms 548 ms 448 ms 83.245.126.12 9 410 ms 426 ms 444 ms osr-hsd-gw3-tenge82.network.virginmedia.net [194 .117.136.161] 10 411 ms 411 ms 418 ms gsr-hsd-gw1-ge10.network.virginmedia.net [194.11 7.136.145] 11 413 ms 411 ms 415 ms rabat-pos100.network.virginmedia.net [194.117.13 6.157] 12 414 ms 449 ms 425 ms casablanca-pos150.network.virginmedia.net [194.1 17.136.177] 13 416 ms 419 ms 416 ms nassau-pos40.network.virginmedia.net [194.117.13 6.181] 14 410 ms 416 ms 416 ms osr01azte-ge47.network.virginmedia.net [195.188. 230.17] 15 434 ms 417 ms 415 ms osr01stav-tenge71.network.virginmedia.net [195.1 88.230.50] 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 376 ms 383 ms 376 ms pc3.prt0.fhcon.fasthosts.net.uk [88.208.255.2] 18 423 ms 402 ms 404 ms pc1.hrt0.fhcon.fasthosts.net.uk [88.208.255.14] 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Last edited by SYNACK; 24-07-2008 at 11:49 PM.. Reason: extra trace route |
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24-07-2008, 11:48 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | its doesnt seem to slow at the moment. If anything since the server messed up it seems faster! The odd occasion it does go a little slow where the top part loads then takes longer for the rest to load as you said. It tends to happen more towards midnight. Z |
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25-07-2008, 07:15 AM
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Rep Power: 25 | I should have also asked for a comparison site, perhaps BBC - Homepage. Similarly, can I have a hostname for a site in your country to 'reverse' compare to. |
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25-07-2008, 02:31 PM
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Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 53 | Here is a trace to the BBC site, a good comparison site would be Orcon Internet - New Zealand Internet Service Provider (TUANZ ISP of the Year Award 2006 and 2007) or Yahoo!Xtra . Thanks. Code: Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.253.67] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 151 ms 46 ms 64 ms XXXX.nct.orcon.net.nz [X.X.X.X] 3 182 ms 49 ms 75 ms ge-0-0-3-200.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.17] 4 196 ms 42 ms 46 ms ge-0-3-0-200.cr1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.9.1] 5 90 ms 96 ms 45 ms ge-2-2-0.gw4.akl1.asianetcom.net [203.192.166.69 ] 6 44 ms 151 ms 78 ms gi9-3.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.209] 7 244 ms 294 ms 266 ms po8-3.gw1.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.206] 8 497 ms 580 ms 462 ms 83.245.126.93 9 361 ms 485 ms 438 ms 212.58.238.153 10 365 ms 362 ms 360 ms te12-1.hsw1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.234] 11 364 ms 364 ms 362 ms www-vip.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.253.67] |
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25-07-2008, 04:36 PM
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25-07-2008, 05:15 PM
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Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 53 | Thanks for the reverse trace routes. There is no packet loss that I am aware of, but I can't ping edugeek directly and I don't know of a way to make firefox alert me to excessive http packet loss. Interestingly the issue seems confined to anything related to the forums database on edugeek. I just checked and the blogs show up just fine at full speed but anything like opening up a thread or checking for new posts is consistently slow. I don't know whether it like this because the blogs can be better cached and so get sent as one chunk or whether apache simply does not like keeping a connection open to NZ to send the requested files before it times out. When the rest of the page turns up it does so quickly but the main chunk of the page seems to get lost on its way to me and so shows up minutes later. Stuff like page edits that are handled by AJAX seem to go through quickly to its just full page reloads that are affected. Whatever it is, it is making the site infuriatingly frustrating  to use and if I was not already an avid user I probably would have given up trying to use it by now. |
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25-07-2008, 05:29 PM
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Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 35 | It's probably the ads. I don't normally condone this; but try blocking the ads and see if it makes a difference. Use Adblock Plus extension or disable Javascript and see if there's a difference. |
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25-07-2008, 05:36 PM
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Rep Power: 29 | Also try with images off, or loading some image urls directly to make sure it isn't a counter or other remote item thats slow to load. If you can find something that is making it slow then you could do a local dns entry in the hosts file to localhost or something to help. |
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25-07-2008, 05:49 PM
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Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 53 | Quote:
 I would like to support edugeek by viewing the ads but it looks like the ad providers currently in use have stuff all international bandwidth. Perhaps there should be more use of the google ads as at least they are quick to load. @DMcCoy - thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into finding the precise culprit and blocking their hash excuse for a server later if I get time and report back on who they are. Edit: Had a look in the adblock blocked list and the only host that is blocked, hence the only possible culprit is http://ad.afy11.net/  their tracert is also horrible with latency of over a second on one hop:Code: Tracing route to ad.afy11.net [70.42.243.52] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 4 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 96 ms 108 ms 42 ms XXXX.nct.orcon.net.nz [X.X.X.X] 3 45 ms 66 ms 132 ms ge-0-0-3-200.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.17] 4 192 ms 43 ms 43 ms ge-0-3-0-200.cr1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.9.1] 5 133 ms 44 ms 43 ms ge-2-2-0.gw4.AKL1.asianetcom.net [203.192.166.69 ] 6 160 ms 99 ms 43 ms gi9-3.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.209] 7 204 ms 210 ms 321 ms po8-3.gw1.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.55.206] 8 206 ms 205 ms 204 ms cr1-eqix-peer.sje007.internap.net [206.223.116.1 34] 9 878 ms 1002 ms 772 ms core4.sje.inappnet-28.cr1.sje007.internap.net [6 6.79.148.130] 10 281 ms 197 ms 194 ms border1.t8-1-bbnet2.sje005.pnap.net [66.151.144. 75] Last edited by SYNACK; 25-07-2008 at 06:06 PM.. | |
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26-07-2008, 11:20 AM
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26-07-2008, 11:25 AM
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28-07-2008, 02:56 PM
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Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 45 | Hey guys, I have enabled ICMP traffic now anyway so you should be able to ping das geek. I will have a word with adify and see what they are saying as I was suspecting them having issues. |
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