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    What software is a pain to package.

    We are looking into an idea but would like to know what software do you find getting packaged into msi's a pain.

    Russell

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    I usually find that repackaging legacy setups is quite easy. It's deploying/customising the badly authored MSIs that are the problem, such as Quicktime 7, or Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    I find pretty much anything by Adobe is a pain to package.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Browser plugins and ones that need the CD to run.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Had no end of problems with Granada Learning and BlackCat packages... in fact most primary school level eduware.

    The worst of the bunch are those that require additional plugins or libraries (eg: text to voice) that cannot be stopped from running with an empty replacement installer (courtesy of AutoIT)

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Found that Encarta was impossible to package (2006) on a CC3 network. Since moving to Vanilla we had no problems. Funny thing is we bought the software from RM! How can they sell something that they don't support?

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Shouldn't they have an MSI cd you can buy I know they have for lots of other software.


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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    quick time is a pain as adobe seems to have sorted there msi out now also a peice of software i use called dance ejay and there is no way to package it.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    RM do sell a lot of MSI's for a small price of £20, but they don't do ALL MSI's and Encarta was on that list. We bought it from them, found it impossible to package, rang up for assistance, and was told 'RM don't support Encarta 2006 on a CC3 network. here's a copy of 2003 which we do support, but it is 3 years out of date!'

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Quote Originally Posted by russdev
    We are looking into an idea but would like to know what software do you find getting packaged into msi's a pain.

    Russell
    Are you asking for individual titles or categories?

    I repackage mostly primary school software and TBH the biggest problems are those that use InstallShield installers. Where authors have gone down the ISScript route, there is the well known issue of the various ISScriptX MSIs using the same internal product code thus making deployment difficult. Recent InstallShield installs appear to register zillions of components in the registry which are very time consuming to remove. I also try to make sure I pick out any references to third party components (eg Flash), which is also tedious.

    Can you tell us more about the idea that you are looking into? I have mentioned to various people in the past the idea of a pressure group which promotes some sort of standard for software installation along the lines of

    - MSI based installers tested in AD software installation
    - All configuration to be done using public properties to enable simple transforms
    - License codes to be entered as part of an 'admin' install in the same way as Office

    Software which meets the requirements could be awarded the 'EduGeek Mark' or some such thing.

    We could also try to persuade authors to stick to Microsoft's guidelines for applications like not writing to 'Program Files' and HKLM etc.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.



    lol

    Not thought about award side an idea through...

    Will go into detail in next few days but as for op think specific titles would be good but generic stuff as well.

    Russ

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Adobe Products
    Autodesk Products
    Anything that uses SQL clients
    Office 2007 - Cant get uninstall to work right
    Printer Automation Packages - It's a configuration, but still a pain,

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Avantis CDServe ver 2.4.

    It comes with an MSI, to install the client, but it will not allow you to pre-specify the drive letters.

    I have created (copied off the internet) a script that adds the required letters in the registry, but it doesn't always work properly, sometimes I get them duplicated, not moved. I think it comes down to the script has to run BEFORE the install... !



    I realise that people will now point me towards Daemon Tools, but we have a CDserver.... I'm not gonna scrap it yet, maybe when it's full up, I will invalidate the warranty and open the case.

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    I've stopped using MSI & GPO Deployment in favour of putting everything into the image.

    Mainly due to the fact that a lot of our stuff is not in MSI format or its a PITA to get into MSI format.

    Most stuff I tend to try and create AutoIT files for and use psexec to get it onto a users PC..

    Need to get to grips with SMS i think...

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    Re: What software is a pain to package.

    Quote Originally Posted by alonebfg
    quick time is a pain as adobe seems to have sorted there msi out now also a peice of software i use called dance ejay and there is no way to package it.
    Quicktime used to be a problem but now it's a nice MSI - just start the .exe running after download and it puts the MSI in your temp folder. You can then create a transform (I use Orca) to set key properties and off you go.

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