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    Microsoft live@edu Vs Google Apps for Education.

    Hi All,

    I am looking into the live@edu and Google Apps for education hosted services and wondered if anyone has had any experience with either. The features of the live@edu service seem great but I'm a little worried that I can't find anything relating to what logging and auditing is available to prevent any misuse by pupils. Maybe these are services intended for only the really good students in schools?

    Any ideas, thoughts or general comments would be great.

    Thanks
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    Here is a comparison writeup by ZDnet Google vs. Microsoft: Number wars, students as weapons | ZDNet, not heavy on detail though.

    I know that a few on here do use the Live@edu solution and seem to find it good, hopefully one of them will be able to answer your questions.
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    There are quite a few auditing/logging features available

    I don't use them, but off the top of my head they include;
    bad word filter
    only able to email within the domain
    ability to flag emails with certain word
    delivery reports
    anti-bullying

    I'm sure there is a lit somewhere of these which might be this Security and Compliance

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    We have turned off the closed campus option of live@edu which means the students can only email each other, and their teachers.

    We have also implemeneted a basic bad word filter.

    Not looked at anything else yet.

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    It's a very interesting battle and one that I reckon will change massively in the next 6 months or so. Do you have a requirement to integrate with a VLE at all?

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    We've just started looking at these too - I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is using one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjay View Post
    We've just started looking at these too - I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is using one...
    We use live@edu.. feel free to ask me any questions you may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabbieBurns View Post
    We use live@edu.. feel free to ask me any questions you may have.
    likewise, were using google apps.

    yesterday, one of the ICT teachers told me "using google apps was the best thing (for ICT) that the school has ever done"

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    We use live@edu for generic school accounts and lea provided google apps for all staff and student accounts

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    I guess basic questions to ask of you would be how easy they both were to set up? Do they need to have separate logins and passwords? Can you as admins get into their mailboxes if need be? Any obvious drawbacks or limitations with them? Also, can you have a centrally-managed address book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjay View Post
    I guess basic questions to ask of you would be how easy they both were to set up? Do they need to have separate logins and passwords? Can you as admins get into their mailboxes if need be? Any obvious drawbacks or limitations with them? Also, can you have a centrally-managed address book?
    All users are automatiaclly in the global address list, and its easy to add contacts etc. Its all seamless with Active Directory, so same usernames and passwords, although this isnt the easiest method of doing it. Good question about getting into their mailboxes, its not something Ive come accross as an obvious option, but might be possible.

    One thing ive not looked at doing yet, but which again doesnt seem to jump straight out of the menu options, is to create distribution groups. Its certainly possible as my sisters uni use live@edu and they have all sorts of groups setup.

    Overall, its an excellent service, and works well. But it was pretty hard to set up, to get it all automated like we have it now (accounts automatically created, passwords automatically sycning etc.. if you want to run a more manual setup, its a lot easier)

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjay View Post
    I guess basic questions to ask of you would be how easy they both were to set up? Do they need to have separate logins and passwords? Can you as admins get into their mailboxes if need be? Any obvious drawbacks or limitations with them? Also, can you have a centrally-managed address book?
    From a google apps perspective - It's a simple overnight synchronisation, single sign-on. centrally managed address-book, centrally (or user) managed groups either on web UI or via Active-Directory. admins have rights over mailboxes.

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    Thanks RabbieBurns, that's really useful. Once you'd had the headache of getting everything set up, the ongoing upkeep is easy though, right?

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    Is it possible to get Google Apps to authenticate using the AD username and password?

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    Thanks CyberNerd - sounds like once it is up and going, you just walk away from it; how was the initial set-up?

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