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Educational Software Thread, Real Player in Technical; Originally Posted by Gatt Unfortunately I have to install it cos of DiDA and Thomas Telford that ICT use Have ...
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    Re: Real Player

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt
    Unfortunately I have to install it cos of DiDA and Thomas Telford that ICT use
    Have it installed here for the very same reason!!! Spent a lot of time in days gone looking at various flavours of it - will look again, but fairly certain you can use Enterprise edition. You can also download and use the encoders and Helix servers. I understand the paid for version (which incidently, at the time, Thomas Telford subscribers got a discount for) includes the managment software for the enterprise edition and "more complete" servery bits i.e. variable bit rate streams, and more connections to the server.

    That is how I understood it, and of course not guaranteed fact

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    Re: Real Player

    Had a bit of a further dig and the last comments I have to hand are from 2003 with the move from Real Player 8 to Real One (doesn't time fly).

    The guy who had the conversation with Real basically resulted in an informal message of 'we will not prosecute, but please consider using the proper software which is heavily discounted'.

    I have emailed a contact at Real to see what the latest message is.

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    Re: Real Player


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    Re: Real Player

    We distrubute Real Player Enterprise on all our desktops and notebooks.
    Download for free at http://forms.real.com/rnforms/produc...red/index.html

    I used to hate it because of all the extra shortcuts and notifiers that pop up with the general RealOne version but the enterprise edition is much better.
    From Real Site
    RealPlayer Enterprise gives you the best of RealPlayer you know and use at home, but without advertising, without requiring registration, and without consumer features that don’t belong in the workplace.
    Just make sure you do the Custom installation to uncheck the "create shortcuts" rubbish.
    You can also get (for a cost) the Enterprise Manager to centrally manage it but I don't bother with that part.

    The main reason we install it is to prevent staff installing the RealOne version which is as bad as Spyware in my opinion.

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    Re: Real Player

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_
    The way that I understand it is the free player is free for non-commercial use (then you need a license to distribute it). You have to trawl through the Real site to find it but then you can download the installer which will do a silent install.
    Sadly Real is only free for personal use. Which basically means you cant distro it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigjb
    I think we fall under:
    "You are part of a corporate IT department and want to distribute a custom business focused, centrally managed version of the RealPlayer over a private Local Area Network, CD-ROM or hard drive image to your company employees"

    Which means you need enterprise edition which has licensing for schools which means ya pay ppl sadly I think.

    I would avoid Real/Quicktime Alternative as it is questionable about its legality. Jetplayer though should be licensed by Real but still checking that out.

    Remember they are out to get us:
    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/win...9270906,00.htm

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    Re: Real Player

    ZeroHour, I'm not sure what bit you're reading to say you can't freely distribute RealPlayer Enterprise over your network.

    I was told by a Real official that Schools should never pay for the player.

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    Re: Real Player

    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    Real Alternative and Quick Time Alternative all the way...
    How I would love to be able to use this at our school, unfortunately the alternatives don't allow for the changing of proxy settings for each transport. As soon as they do, Quicktime and Real will be gone so fast...

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    Re: Real Player

    Quote Originally Posted by thom
    ZeroHour, I'm not sure what bit you're reading to say you can't freely distribute RealPlayer Enterprise over your network.

    I was told by a Real official that Schools should never pay for the player.
    Hey
    Just tried the enterprise free copy. How long have you been using it?
    Any issues?
    I am still trying to confirm it all, we were told (a while ago though) that we must buy it as we are a school by a rep. But who knows now.

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    Re: Real Player

    It works even better for our mulitcast VC programme than the commercial version. Haven't had nay probs at all with it.

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    Re: Real Player

    Just put it on my machine at work, seems nice and lite compaired to the other versions I have been using, so I think that will roll at summer.

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    Re: Real Player

    Thanks to David Smith of Real Networks for getting back to me quickly ... here is his reply;

    I have looked at the EduGeek web site and I notice the RealPlayer discussions. Great to see the readers like the RealPlayer Enterprise, this is the RealPlayer schools should be using and many are. We have many LEA deployments and the Scottish Schools Digital Network in Scotland has deployed RealNetworks Helix to all 3,200 schools, giving them high-quality access to content from sites like the BBC.

    To confirm the use of RealPlayer.

    Firstly, we have two editions, RealPlayer Basic and RealPlayer Enterprise.

    RealPlayer Basic - is the Consumer edition and is free to use in schools. If you wish to redistribute it, you must complete the RealPlayer distribution form, which allows distribution by CD, imaging and software deployment tools. If you purchase the RealPlayer Plus (priced at £19.99 UK Sterling) you are not allowed to redistribute this.

    The RealPlayer Enterprise is also free to use, provided each one is individually registered and installed. However, redistribution is not allowed. The End User License Agreement specifically mentions "redistribution is not permitted" in the opening clause of the Accept License agreement window. See attached.

    For those wishing to redistribute the RealPlayer Enterprise, they have the option of purchasing RealPlayer Enterprise Manager. This is our Professional edition of RealPlayer Enterprise and provides:

    1. A redistribution license for the number of licensed computers
    2. The ability to generate your own customised RealPlayer Enterprise installers with silent and minimal user interaction installation. The installers are then redistributed across your network
    3. Centralised administration allowing you to control the RealPlayer Enterprise installation centrally, thereby easing administration
    4. Lockable RealPlayer Enterprise settings - thereby preventing students from changing them.
    5. Centralised proxy settings for use with Helix Forward Proxy (our streaming media caching and splitting server - minimising the bandwidth used to access content on the internet)
    6. Centralised update policy for codecs and security patches
    7. No advertising or pop-up windows

    Pricing is from £2 UK Sterling per computer, per annum purchased via the RealNetworks Education License Program. The Education License Program also provides Helix Forward Proxy, Helix Server and RealProducer giving you all the tools to create Video Libraries, Network TV, School Radio and Web-Casting from the school desktop.

    I have attached an overview of the different RealPlayers and the Education License Program.

    In the meantime, have a good weekend and speak with you early next week,

    Best regards,



    David Smith
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    There are a few things that need explaining exactly ... if we create our own MSI of RealPlayer Enterprise to push out to machines does that count as distribution? What if it is included on a machine image?

    If anyone wants David's contact details to arrange licenses etc then please PM me or fill in the form on the Real Networks website and they will be contacted next week.

    I have looked at Helix Server and Real Producer before and quite like it ... it is easier to get along with than Quicktime Streaming Server and has less problems than Windows Media Server ... but I ended up going for Darwin Streaming Server (the open source version of QTSS) ...

    I'll let everyone have further information when I get it.

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    Re: Real Player

    Soooo....we have to *pay* to put RP on our networks? Is that what I am reading here?

    I think Tony may be on the right track questioning what this means:

    "If you wish to redistribute it"

    I'll wait and see what it means.

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    Re: Real Player

    "The RealPlayer Enterprise is also free to use, provided each one is individually registered and installed"

    OK. Been reading this through again. Some points:

    1. How *on earth* can a school's NM or technicians be expected to individually license RP Enterprise installs? OK, it could be done- but the means would of themselves be "illegal".

    ". A redistribution license for the number of licensed computers
    2. The ability to generate your own customised RealPlayer Enterprise installers with silent and minimal user interaction installation. The installers are then redistributed across your networ
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    2. So this really does mean that we are supposed to pay a fee in order to "distribute" RP across a network. So- I think Tony's question on reflection will come back with the same answer. Distribution by definition would include the means of distribution- MSI, Prism, Imaging etc etc.

    I will be taking RP off our network this week until and unless this is sorted and we get a more definitive definition. If you could pass on to me this person's details Tony it would be appreciated.

    Paul

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    Re: Real Player

    Yep, agreed Paul.

    RealPlayer Basic - is the Consumer edition and is free to use in schools. If you wish to redistribute it, you must complete the RealPlayer distribution form, which allows distribution by CD, imaging and software deployment tools.
    The RealPlayer Enterprise is also free to use, provided each one is individually registered and installed. However, redistribution is not allowed.
    'Redistribution' is clearly defined.

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    Re: Real Player

    RP Basic is *FREE* to redistribute (as long as you fill in the relevant forms)... but it is the consumer version; with the corresponding advertising blocks, pop-ups, lack of centralisation of management / control ...

    It is RP Enterprise that has the limitations as to registration and deployment.

    I know from reading another list (HE/FE based) that there is a 'general' feeling that Real networks would not be aggressive in telling people off for distributing RP Enterprisem but obviously nothing in writing.

    The per seat licensing for RP Enterprise Manager has been viewed in some circles to be a method of getting Helix server out into institutes (Principly on the QTSS/DSS lists) and I find it hard to disagree with this.

    For a school with 700+ machines to look after come September then the per seat option is going to be tough to justify unless we have a wealth of materials in-house.

    I can't persuade county to help because they already have a Helix server (and it is seriously underused ... as in hardly anyone knows it exists and only a handful of people put content on there!)

    If we can get some leeway what they mean by 'distribution' of RP Enterprise and on the individual registration then it will be more viable to use RP.



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