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    Question Edugeek Award for Competent Program Design?

    I just had a thought, sites like download.com and such have an award (approval really) for software that is virus and spyware free. Given the usual 'high' quality of educational software I thought that it might be a good idea to reward those that do the job right. This in addition of course to slating the ones that do it wrong.

    Perhaps Edugeek could have a list of education software that is done right along with one of those little approved by icons. This may encourage some software makers to clean up their act and provide things like:

    • MSI installers that work with AD
    • that do not try to write to everwhere on the system drive for fun
    • that can be configured by Group policy
    • that do not require a bank of Cray 5s to run
    • that save files in the my documents folder
    • that don't require quicktime 2 to run


    This would also reward those that already do this and possibly bring more people to the site.

    What does everybody think and do you know of any software that is already deserving?

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    Sounds like a good idea to me. At least if it is used I know where to come and yell if it doesn't work

    Can also really annoy publishers by asking "Is it EduGeek certified? No? Ohhh sorry, bye."

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    I like idea what would be criteria to get the award.

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    Criteria should include packaging quality - i.e. cds with stuck on labels that are already lifting.
    Proper Support - not an aol email address.
    Must have been tested on a modern OS - no Windows 3.11/95/98 compatability stickers.
    Tech support must have a clue - if I have to tell you why your software is misbehaving and tell you how to provide the fix, you've failed.
    Must be able to overwrite a file of the same name on a networked drive. I'm looking at you Techsoft.
    Evaluation copies available.
    Ease of deployment and upgrades.
    Site or concurrent use licenses should be available.
    Should not require admin rights.
    Documentation should mention dependencies - i.e commonly (in schools) disabled components, don't make me find out later.
    Decent documentation should exist.

    Ooh - bagsy on naming the Wooden Spoon prize. "The $crapsoftware prize for Disservice to Education".
    Last edited by pete; 24th January 2008 at 11:31 AM. Reason: extra stuff

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    There could be a three star system or something:

    1 Star:
    deploys with MSI through AD
    Uninstalls properly from deploy
    Saves stuff to My Documents
    No security tweaks needed
    Manageable liscencing one code once on the MSI deploy
    registers all necessary Dlls

    2 Stars:
    Above and includes dependencies in the MSI
    runs on slower hardware without 2GB of RAM
    Upgradeable by MSP through GP
    Good support documentation
    Good packaging

    3 Stars:
    Configurable with group policy
    Downloadable installer for when the disk has been lost


    etc. Possibly.
    Last edited by SYNACK; 24th January 2008 at 11:30 AM. Reason: Included more information

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    Ok ... looking at some criteria

    * MSI installers that work with AD
    This would need to be tested on 5 different vanilla systems, at least 3 CC3 systems, 2 classlink and 2 'other' systems. I think that would be a reasonable start for 'minimum requirements'
    * that do not try to write to everwhere on the system drive for fun
    I think a full list of files and a listing of files that are placed in anywhere other than ~/program files/<application> would be the best option ... including required permissions for those files so that the program can run.
    * that can be configured by Group policy
    Clear instructions on the editing of config files or the creation of transform files.
    * that do not require a bank of Cray 5s to run
    It is difficult to start detailing the computer specs ... some schools may run the software on a machine capable of using the software or running the services, but if you are also running VMware with 3 virtual machines on there, a botched install of IIS / MS-SQL, etc ... then it will still run like a pig. Better to have a 'minimum requirements' and suggested requirements ... where the suggested requirements means that it will also run at the same time as 3 office documents, 5 separate browser windows, a high level AV solution (ie a memory hungry one) and a connection to a server based product (having SIMS open would be a good example)
    * that save files in the my documents folder
    I would personally prefer that you can specify which is the default save folder ... this allows for those that want to specify saving to an alternative location (networks share by either UNC or mounted drive letter).

    * that don't require quicktime 2 to run
    I think at this point we might need to create a document with a standard desktop build in it. This could specify what the 'minimum' specification would be for software to be installed on a machine. This would be a base-line, not a limiting specification.

    How's that for a few ideas? Feel free to expand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post

    I would personally prefer that you can specify which is the default save folder ... this allows for those that want to specify saving to an alternative location (networks share by either UNC or mounted drive letter).

    I think at this point we might need to create a document with a standard desktop build in it. This could specify what the 'minimum' specification would be for software to be installed on a machine. This would be a base-line, not a limiting specification.

    How's that for a few ideas? Feel free to expand.
    My bad, the My Documents location item was a minimum requirement, we redirect our MyDocs to a UNC so that would be sufficient as a base level however as you say having it fully configurable would be much better

    I think regarding the plug in stuff the criteria could be that it does not require a certain version of something like quick time that is out of date to run. The best implementations would be mostly version independent other than a minimum version to run it. We should not have to limit the plug in version to allow the software to run.

    And for software that stores its config in the registry I think ADM files would be quite a nice gesture from the software companies involved. This is of course a high level criteria for like an A+ or something though.

    Nomination:
    There is an application that would probably meet most of the minor requirements mostly as it is quite a simple app that we use at one of my primary schools. PivotStick Animator its free and getting the fully deployable MSI out is just a case of running the installer and copying out the MSI and CAB from the temp directory. Runs fine without admin rights and even saves to the My Documents location be default.

    This is the only educational software that I don't need to repackage, well this and Photostory.
    Last edited by SYNACK; 24th January 2008 at 12:32 PM. Reason: Addition of Nomination

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    Cross-platform versions.

    The smart learning is a good example of this. I have the server-side running on the AD and the client installation on both the XP and OS X side connecting to it. Works really well.

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    hahaha. I can't access pivotstick animator here. It's been blocked by RM.

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    It'd be good to have a voting system on the key criteria and then a rating: 1 to 6 perhaps in a list of applications.

    Great idea though. May prompt companies to improve to win that Edugeek gold standard, and those with very low ratings to at least try to improve in what WE feel are their key weaknesses.

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    Could also be nice to have levels as someone else mentioned from the point of view that it may not have somethings but that is acceptable to some people. So a bronze, silver, gold type level.

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    How about a simple voting system?

    Someone nominates a product, and you need x "Yes" and less than y "No" votes - people will vote "No" if it is missing many of the features they requre in that particular product. Strikes me that you guys use so many different types of product, a set list of criteria would never fly.

    Evilly commercial idea: Companies would have to opt-in, there would then be a thread created in the "Edugeek Certified" forum and the forum decide on a yes/no. This costs the company x donation towards edugeek running costs - non-refundable even if they don't get it.

    Process is *totally* transparent, so you cant be accused of favouritism toward advertisers, for example, and anyone anting to know about the award can read the archived thread.

    Edit: should be free for Open Source products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom_newton from smoothwall View Post
    Edit: should be free for Open Source products.
    ... except commerically-available and paid-for versions of open-source products course

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    ... except commerically-available and paid-for versions of open-source products course
    Indeed - was looking for a loophole for others rather than one for ourselves

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    Other criteria I would like added:

    Doesn't require software to be running on the server, be it for licensing, saving progress or whatever. (goodbye heinneman)
    Doesn't require a pesky dongle in the server (i'm looking at you solidworks)
    Doesn't have some daft non-perpetual license - why would I want to "subscribe" to a CD of powerpoints.
    Has more than 1 paragraph of text per GB of pointless 3d video/animation/video of an animation (die Birchfield RS software! die! die! Die!) i.e. some educational value.

    ...and breathe!

    I would like to nominate the "Focus on..." range of technology software. Easy to install and share out, amazingly lightweight 3d simulations/demos, reasonable price, lots of educational content in there.

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