Bluetooth (10th October 2011)
Bluetooth's post highlights a common situation, a similar one that I find myself in.
We start on such a low wage, and to get any increases at all, you have to take on additional responsibilities - each giving small increments in pay. In order to reach a decent wage, you'd have to work more hours than there are in a week supporting every system ever invented.
Whereas when you start on a higher salary to begin with, you can actually live comfortably on what you earn, without the need of taking on extra responsibilities to get extra pay.
It annoys me so much that I've been working for 8 years, have a relatively huge amount of skills, experience and responsibilities here, yet my salary falls a few thousand pounds short of what NQTs get.
Bluetooth (10th October 2011)
Webman, I know its difficult but have you considered relocation? Many jobs would kill for the skills you have, but as @Ric found out, to hit the money you want, you need to relocate, hell even my other half and I are considering moving to london (we are 30 miles north of outer london) and it would be a logical choice as there are literally thousands of jobs I could apply for if I was closer!
I also applied for Web Technologies Developer - Ossett, Wakefield, West Yorkshire, WF5 but never had a response.
Mind pinging me your CV?
On these wages are you all getting the school holidays or are you just getting the normal 4-5 weeks annual holiday?
I get 30-odd days' holiday a year - probably similar to most.
I am the Network Manager of a school with 1600 users. We are responsible for 900+ computers, 20 odd servers, CMIS, CCTV etc. I have 2 full time technicians working under me. I get paid 27k, 30 days annual leave.
Having read these posts, I'm not complaining. Although it pains me that there are incompetent and lazy teachers that take home a much better basic pay (I'm not going to Teacher bash, most deserve their salary. I'm just highlighting this as it's the profession that most of us work with).
I'm not sure what the going rate is, but I know there are a hell of a lot of gifted people on here that don't earn as much as a shelf stacker in Tescos.
Some organisations believe that their forays into outsourcing have not produced the benefits required and have decided to pull IT back in-house. For every success story about outsourcing, there is also a disaster story.
I know a couple of places locally that thought they were saving money by outsourcing, but ended up paying hugely over budget as the year progressed.
Anyway, I don't believe that IT support can become less attractive financially. It's not like anyone of us is on great money as it is!
It would be interesting to see an up-to-date poll of pay. I know Single Status has affected a lot of people.
I earn 24k working as a 'Senior Tech' at a private school in Greater London with around 1000+ users and a mix of physical and Virtual machines. 30 days holiday. We do get 2 training courses per year and exams paid for. These are usually Microsoft based. I can't complain too much although like all of you I'd always take more!
Technician - £16k-£20k
Snr Tech - £20k-£24k
Engineer - £27k-£31k
Snr Engineer - £35-£38k
Manager - Somewhere in the 40s I guess.
Are you London based Roberto? Can you give details of responsibilities and size of network?
We're a team of 6 (2 technicians, 1 snr tech, 1 engineer, 1 snr engineer, 1 manager), and our network size is about 1400+ PCs, plus telephony, CCTV, door access control, etc. About 50 servers, including a fairly extensive VMWare VSphere deployment.
As for my responsibilities, it's my job (snr engineer) to manage the design, build and support of the college infrastructure (both hardware infrastructure and software infrastructure); provide support to the technicians in their role of supporting staff and students (this doesn't mean I don't have direct contact with end users, I'm working a helpdesk shift right this second in fact); I'm also responsible for liaising with our coding team, who are part of our MIS department; research and development of new networking tools, techniques etc, writing whitepapers to support various decisions; running major network management / upgrading projects; liaise with JANET and JISC (we have a 1Gb internet connection through JANET and we're active in various JISC groups) and negotiation and management of contracts with various suppliers of infrastructure. Oh yes, supervision and mentoring of IT staff as the deputy to the manager is in there too.
From what I've discussed with friends working as NMs elsewhere, my job role is probably not that different to that of a network manager in a large school, except with possibly with less oversight. The last person I discussed this with was a NM in a school and earned about the same as me.
Last edited by Roberto; 11th October 2011 at 10:26 AM.
Gardinho (11th October 2011)
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