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    It could be a great project, turnaround a failing network/poor infra... it'd be great to put on the CV or just for personal satisfaction.
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    Market conditions will dictate the salary that is offered for a job, if the school can sucessfully fill the post advertising the job at that salary then they are going to do so, it's a simple questions of economics. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way the jobs market works. If I was out of work and desperate for a job, I'd apply for it even thouigh I know it's way under par for the job, but needs must.

    Certain people like Teachers, Police offices, Firemen etc. etc. are priveliged to have carefully negotiated salary deals with government, but it also caps what they can earn as well so it works both ways. Personally I wouldn't like to be in that situation, I like to think I'm paid what I'm worth and not what some piece of paper says I must be paid - if I'm any good then the reward will be forthcoming and if it isn't, then I go elsewhere.
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    I think the phrase pay peanuts, get monkeys springs to minds but you're right, alot of people out of work 16k is better than a punch on the bugle and benefits - alot of people out of work with families to provide for.
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    I'm the NM in a school round the corner, and whilst I would love to drop in a load of gossip in about the place, truth is I don't know anything, as I don't actually live in the town... but suffice to say, 17k is not the going rate for an NM in Grantham. I was on more than that as a bog standard technician at my last school as well, so even the argument "good for a technician moving up" doesn't hold up because I did just that, in the same town, and get significantly more than 17k. My technicians get more than that as well.

    As I say, I don't know any specifics about the place at all - couldn't even tell you where in town it is, tbh - but that is a dangerously low salary offering.

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    There are professional bodies for IT and engineering, computing and IT Support. Interesting to see the professional body for teachers (GTC) is going ... but that is fine because the unions do the same job for them with regards to pay and conditions, but we would miss the 'professoinal standards' bit (even though they are heavily berated for the effectiveness of their panels).

    As much as a professional body for IT Support in education would be good, we are talking about national single status, a lot more accountability and the setting of standards of work that not everyone would agree to. These are good and bad things depending ou your point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    Thats why we need to put more work into having a professional chartered society. Want to be an Accountant, better be a member of Institute of Chartered Accountants. Want to be a Banker, better have passed those Banking Exams. Want to be a Solicitor, better be a member of the Law Society. Want to be Teacher better have Qualified Teacher Status. Want to be a Doctor, better be a registered with the General Medical Council. Want to be a pharmacist, better be a member of Royal Pharmaceutical Society. Want to be a Dentist, better be a member of the General Dental Council. Want to be a Plumber, better be a member of The Chartered Institute of Plumbing and Heating Engineering. Want to be a Librarian, better be Chartered...
    An accountant is an accountant - they may just be working on different sets of figures. Even a forensic accountant is just an accountant. A banker is a banker, doctor is a doctor (with a range of specialisms admittedly, but not a huge range), a pharmacist is a pharmacist, dist is a dentist, plumber is a plumber and librarian is a librarian.

    An IT professional could be anything from a starting technician to an enterprise admin in charge of a global network of systems to a test team member/leader to a programmer to a network engineer, and so on. So do we have separate institutes for all of the thousands of disciplines that can make up IT, reviewed weekly as new technology comes onto the market, or one big one that wouldn't be able to list the different possibilities, let alone represent the various disciplines?
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    Has any one enquired about this job?

    Is the salary correct or is it a typo?

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    A doctor is not just a doctor with a limited range of specialisms ... a doctor is a GP, is a surgeon (with a wide variety of specialisms), is a therapist, is a consultant, is an emergency practitioner ... yet they all come under the GMC.

    Of course we will have subsets in IT. Remember that IT is a tool ... so the same way you have bus drivers, lorry drivers, taxi drivers, pilots, train driver ... they all drive, but different jobs in different areas.

    Just because an artist uses a graphics tablet doesn't mean he is IT ... he is an artist (some do both) ... the same with animators ... accountants (heavy IT users) ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    A doctor is not just a doctor with a limited range of specialisms ... a doctor is a GP, is a surgeon (with a wide variety of specialisms), is a therapist, is a consultant, is an emergency practitioner ... yet they all come under the GMC.

    Of course we will have subsets in IT. Remember that IT is a tool ... so the same way you have bus drivers, lorry drivers, taxi drivers, pilots, train driver ... they all drive, but different jobs in different areas.

    Just because an artist uses a graphics tablet doesn't mean he is IT ... he is an artist (some do both) ... the same with animators ... accountants (heavy IT users) ...
    So how exactly do you qualify whether someone deserves to be a chartered IT professional? Degree? Completing an apprenticeship? Having years of experience? Having the right certificates? Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesb View Post
    So how exactly do you qualify whether someone deserves to be a chartered IT professional? Degree? Completing an apprenticeship? Having years of experience? Having the right certificates? Any ideas?
    Why not in a similar manner to the Engineering Council. Accredited Courses, Exams and Relevant Experience can all be taken into account.

    Benefits of CEng professional qualification
    The status of being part of a technological elite
    Recognition of your expertise and hard work
    High self-esteem
    Higher earnings potential
    Improved career prospects
    Greater influence within your organisation and industry
    Access to life-long learning
    International recognition of your qualifications
    Letters after your name eg J.Smith CEng
    Eligibility
    The CEng professional qualification is open to anyone who can demonstrate the required professional competences and commitment. These are set out in our professional standard, UK-SPEC, and are developed through education and working experience.

    The process will be more straightforward if you have particular academic qualifications, which will also allow you to obtain interim registration. For CEng these are:

    an accredited Bachelors degree with honours in engineering or technology, plus either an appropriate Masters degree accredited by a professional engineering institution, or appropriate further learning to Masters level
    or an accredited integrated MEng degree
    However, you can still become a Chartered Engineer if you do not have these academic qualifications. Further information about the assessment process can be found in UK-SPEC
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    @jamesb
    Chartered IT Professional is a status awarded by BCS (more info at Chartered IT Professional (CITP) | Become Chartered | Membership and Networking | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT)
    You also have the itSMF and SocITM.
    What I think some folk are pointing towards is an IT Support in Education body ... the closest we have of which is growing via FITS and the FITS Foundation.

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    Has any one enquired about this job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    @jamesb
    Chartered IT Professional is a status awarded by BCS (more info at Chartered IT Professional (CITP) | Become Chartered | Membership and Networking | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT)
    You also have the itSMF and SocITM.
    What I think some folk are pointing towards is an IT Support in Education body ... the closest we have of which is growing via FITS and the FITS Foundation.
    An IT Support in Education body is something I'd agree with - it's a single organisation dictating who is, and isn't, an IT Professional overall that I have my doubts about. There's too much variety and rapid change in the field overall for a single body to be giving out chartered status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny_2010 View Post
    Has any one enquired about this job?

    Is the salary correct or is it a typo?
    Why not enquire yourself and find out rather than repeating yourself in Bold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Chartered IT Professional is a status awarded by BCS
    And that's the problem - they're the "Dad's Army of IT" (to use a popular slur). I get more use out of my USENIX membership than I ever did from dealing with the BCS.

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