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    Quote Originally Posted by wagnerk View Post
    Ever thought about seeing if there's funding in your area for the NVQ program or even a full apprenticeship? In some area/colleges they have limited funded places for over 18's. Got an e-mail thru from our local college to say that they have limited funded places.

    You may be able to jump straight to level 3 (bypassing level 2). You never know.

    Alternatively there's always the HNC/HND/degree route part-time in the evenings (for 2 to 5 years at 2 evenings a week). And/or there's FITS level 4 & 5

    -Ken
    I would love to do something like this, but my problem is i go out and work for another company at the weekends so my evenings are needed to be free to relax!! I am going travelling in October so im going to try and get myself on a MCSE in Server 2008/windows 7 as when i come back i am thinking this will be the most widely used OS, although i think there will still be places using 2003/xp i i might as well do the qualification with the most up to date stuff.

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    I started two years ago as an apprentice, the first apprentice on the local government scheme in a school, as nearly all apprentices on the scheme here work in County Hall.

    http://realstart.co.uk/ - NYCC Apprenticeship Scheme

    Although my post was for an IT Tech, the actual apprenticeship was a Level 2 NVQ in Business and Administration. I completed that and then started a Level 3 in the same subject, and completed that last year. I moved up to full pay after the first NVQ was completed, they increase your pay every quarter and yes - it's peanuts.

    80 for the first three months, 100 for the second three months, 125 for the third three months and then 180 up until course completion whereby you slot into the role and adopt the pay scale for your role. I believe they've increased the pay for the increments, but it's still nothing intially. Apprenticeships schemes are vastly different - this is just my own experience.

    I'm due to start a second level 3, this time in Customer Service, later this month. Even though I'm getting qualifications, none of them have anything to show for ICT... the reason I'm doing these is because they don't have a Training Advisor in my area who is qualified to give the IT Practitioner NVQs, but still it doesn't cost me a penny and it's all good at the end of the day.

    It's also worth noting that my scheme is 100% work-based. I didn't have to attend college at all, and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's almost perfect being able to work, earn money and get certificates too.

    I always saw the reality of the fact that I was cheap labour, but after the first year I moved up to full pay (I'm in my third year now) and part of the agreement said that I was to be treated as a full member of staff in terms of rights and duties, so I couldn't be treated like a monkey.

    This post is getting lengthy already, I could go on and on. PM me if you want to know more. The crux of it is that apprenticeships are good for business! Providing that they're enthusiastic and a valid candidate, instead of someone who's doing it because they have nothing else to do, you're giving them experience in the work place, a starter for earning cash and qualifications at the end... and they're initially cheaper than employing a qualified candidate.

    Of course, there's more effort from you required to train them up and give them enough know-how with which to undertake their position effectively, but if you're up for that then I'd say it's worth it.

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    Yes and No, the apprenticeship program incorporates the NVQ program. They will be taught 1 day a week at college, but the rest would have to be done thru work (via on the job learning/job shadowing, giving them a book/cbt to learn, hands-on practice, etc). Evidence is then taken thru a variety of means like witness statements, personal statements and observations, etc...

    The NVQ itself is made up of X amount of mandatory unit (they have to do it) and X amount of optional units (they still have to do it, but they have a choice of what they want to do).[/
    Thanks for the reply, I will speak to the deputy head who may point me to a college who may be able to help with a structured course, programme and outline

    STariq

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    Quote Originally Posted by stariq View Post
    Thanks for the reply, I will speak to the deputy head who may point me to a college who may be able to help with a structured course, programme and outline

    STariq
    A couple of colleges/training providers that do apprenticeships/NVQ:

    1. Cambridge Regional College
    2. Tresham College (just started this calendar year)
    3. Zenos

    Just in case

    -Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhyte85 View Post
    Yes, I may have been one of those divvys at Cordwallis fixing commercial vehicles

    I would love to do this but have concerns about a school leaver working in this environment, if the candidate was male it would be difficult in an all female school... especially if he received any attention from the girls, luckily I'm ugly as sin, pale white and ginger - yes we have souls. Female would be OK but then they may find physical aspects of the job difficult, not to stereotype - just stating my opinions, I know people may take that wrong but it is not my intention (bearing in mind it could be a 16 year old).

    Expectations of a apprentice would be my concern, I wouldn't know how to push them - how were you treated, did you shadow for several weeks or go off on your own and ask questions?
    I can't believe you would discriminate like this, most offenders are over 35 so your logic is flawed.
    All you would need to do is intruct your new pal to use the attention in a positive manner.

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    i was a school/college leaver when i joined my last school just 5 months older the the oldest students. I had the odd bit of attention from a couple of the girls but i just used to laugh it off and have a joke with the kids about it - there's no point hiding in the corner and ignoring it as they just makes the attention worse - although i always did make sure i was also joking around with another member of staff aswell as the students just to make sure there was no possibility of it being miss interpretated.

    this was at a mixed secondary school

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    We have a few staff on various hours in the IT support role, and have done the modern apprentice scheme once, retained one of those but was an overhead for the school in terms of admin.

    For the past two years we have benefited from taking on people on a year by year basis.
    Sounds bad? - let me explain...

    Well what we found out was that there are University courses that will consider working within a school adequate for a year out in industry.

    So for the price of one basic IT technician, we get two Uni placement students who have usually completed two years of Uni, and we as a school get to pick the skills to assist.

    So far we have really benefited from this, and some bring specialist skills like media, animation, video editing to raise the general skills level in the school.

    Worth considering, about right time now to start asking your local universities. We appoint them in the summer term and are paid from September to July.

    Worked well here with very willing workers.

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    Does anyone now have an apprentice in place and working in their Department? I am to get one and just wondered how they sit within the Dept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frosty View Post
    Does anyone now have an apprentice in place and working in their Department?
    Yes, we have an IT Apprentice at our's. He's about 3/4 of the way thru his NVQ2 and will start his NVQ3 in Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by frosty View Post
    I am to get one and just wondered how they sit within the Dept?
    Well, he kinda sits with his knees bent and back straight, just joking

    His job title is currently IT Assistant (with a possible review of that in the next 6 months), but his job role is that of a tier 1 tech. To be honest I expect the same level and quality of work from him as I do from a technician not on a apprenticeship. From a job/role point of view, there is no difference between an apprentice and another person who isn't an apprentice (eg a person who has just entered the IT Field) apart from the apprentice goes to college 1 day a week (and the funding/salary, but that shouldn't reflect on the job).

    -ken

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    Thanks for your reply. May I ask their age range? What worries me most is what tasks I will be able to get them to do that doesn't involve using administrative rights and who in their right mind would give the administrators password to a sixteen year old? (Mine is to be sixteen)

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    We have just taken on an ICT apprenticship at my school.

    Really good scheme- he will do 4 days on site and 1 day release at college. He comes out with a BTEC in ICT Care and Support (or something likle that) and 2 Comptia A+ qualifications.

    The course will last 18-24 months. Employers can pay between 90 and 150 per week- we have offered 130 per week for ours.

    At the end of the 24 months the school may offer a full time post but if not the person will leave with a great wealth of experence and qualifications to continue study or go to next job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frosty View Post
    Thanks for your reply. May I ask their age range?
    Our's is now 20, he started when he was 18.

    Quote Originally Posted by frosty View Post
    What worries me most is what tasks I will be able to get them to do that doesn't involve using administrative rights and who in their right mind would give the administrators password to a sixteen year old? (Mine is to be sixteen)
    Well until they have been trained - None and that doesn't apply to just apprentices (or 16 year olds)... I've known mature 16 year olds who put 20 year old's to shame, saying that I've come across more immature 16 year old's. Plus you don't have to give domain admin rights, you could just give him local admin rights on certain machines to do certain tasks (eg install software, unlock PC's that students have locked, etc). You also could assign certain rights in AD to only change passwords.

    You don't have to give any admin rights to change toner/ink, to log calls on the servicedesk/helpdesk, to answer the phone, to keep stock checks/levels, keep the IT Services room tidy, reset projectors (if you keep the panels), to do some basic initial investigation (eg from calls that say PC is broken), paperwork, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhyte85 View Post
    I would love to do this but have concerns about a school leaver working in this environment, if the candidate was male it would be difficult in an all female school... especially if he received any attention from the girls, luckily I'm ugly as sin, pale white and ginger - yes we have souls. Female would be OK but then they may find physical aspects of the job difficult, not to stereotype - just stating my opinions, I know people may take that wrong but it is not my intention (bearing in mind it could be a 16 year old).
    I would be extremely careful posting this as you leave yourself wide open to a a claim of discrimination by an unsuccessful applicant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillskill View Post
    ...The course will last 18-24 months. Employers can pay between 90 and 150 per week- we have offered 130 per week for ours...
    The minimum pay was 95pw (16-18 year olds and 19 year old's and above in the first year), there was no upper limit.

    However it's changed now from the old Apprentice National Minimum Wage rate of 95pw to the new Apprentice National Minimum Wage rate of 2.50ph (England only, unless you were currently employed under the old scheme and were receiving 95pw, then it stays at 95 until you meet the requirements to be paid at the National Minimum Wage rate), see here for more information.

    -Ken

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