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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Yes, exactly.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Quote Originally Posted by nawbus
    Don't you find it interesting that the alleged 25% of people who are losing money seems to be a lot greater than the supposed 45% who are gaining?
    The way they achieve these numbers is simple enough; Some staff (mainly the lowest paid) will get a rise; often these are part time, and have more than one job with the council. They are counted as winners for each job they have. So a school cleaner who works at 2 schools getting an hourly rate increase in both will be counted as a winner twice. Nursery nurses who were on similar T&C to teaching staff ie paid full time to work term time only now find they have been given an hourly rate increase but are now pro-rated and so face a pay cut. They are also counted as winners.

    It's all done with statistics.......

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Isn't this all breach of contract? If you have a permanant contract between the LEA and yourself which states a wage in figures then changing this without the consent of both parties is breaching the contract.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Sorry to post twice in a row with two different questions but looking at the framework (http://www.becta.org.uk/techcomp/doc..._framework.pdf) I am certainly in D category but do more which isn't even touched on - mainly focused on developing and maintaining complete in-house software systems which form core parts of our overall management systems. Is level D a ceiling above which one cannot rise or is their something else above it?

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Quote Originally Posted by broc
    It's all done with statistics.......
    Isn't there a saying that goes along the lines of 'there are lies, damn lies and statistics'?

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    The becta framework only covers IT support. You're talking about software development.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    I see that, but since my role covers both how is this likely to affect me?

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Your wage should reflect these extra skills.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Back to the issue of breach of contract, I thought this page might be of interest:

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/Employment/...116&chk=yHtPmT


    According to this, if an employer tries to change your contract and you don't agree to it then you can take legal action:

    ".... if your pay is reduced because of the change, you could make a claim for unlawful deductions from wages ...."

    It looks complicated but there seems to be scope for legal action if wages are deducted (or a change in contract attempts to put this into place).

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    I'd guess when this goes through, people will be offered their old jobs under the new pay scheme with new contracts. So your tactic would not work.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    For that to work they would have to sack you first.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    no, just terminate your contract. I can't speak for Staffordshire but round here we're on temporary one year contracts that get renewed every year. If they want to implement some change in the contract they just update the next years contract. You're free not to accept the changes of course but that just leaves you unemployed.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    For you then it is different, but my contract and that of technicians employed by schools in our LEA is permanant.

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Thats a sneaky practise introduced into this country from America, it sucks Dude!

    I knew someone on a one year contract, they'd recently signed up for another year, when they were asked if they'd like a full contract.....

    The next day, his 1st day as a proper employee, they made him redundant. It was cheaper than cancelling his contract.

    Obviously I can't name the company, but think of IT in General Motors....

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    Re: Staffordshire Job evaluation - Are you affected?

    Norfolk LEA are going through this process of evaluations now my contract is the one that I was employed under at this particular school 3 years ago and is not renewed anually.

    Ben

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