Educational IT Jobs Thread, Axe's unemployment mystery (or misery) in United Kingdom (UK) Specific Forums; Originally Posted by Midget
they'd rather hire people with no A-levels or old women because they will stay for many ...
15th October 2009, 01:39 PM #196
Well that's a bit sexist isn't it? What makes you think old women are thick and have few options?
Originally Posted by Midget
15th October 2009, 01:47 PM #197
oh come on now. Lets not be silly.
Originally Posted by NikChillin
Old ladies in their 50s looking to work in tescos will either be wanting to work after their kids have grown up or wanting a much quieter job than they used to have. Either way they aren't going to be a flight risk unless they hate the job.
Whereas someone in their 20s with a degree will be looking to move onto a job in their sector as soon as one comes up. (unless their degree was from tescoPolyTech with a major in shelf stacking....)
and any old man looking to get a quiet job after quitting "the rat race" will be working in B&Q to play with the toys.
The comment wasn't sexist in any way, so lets not go into this rubbish.
15th October 2009, 01:49 PM #198
He didn't suggest old women are thick, merely that some employers will only hire people without recognised qualifications.
Originally Posted by NikChillin
As to what made him think old women have few options; reality, perhaps?
15th October 2009, 02:10 PM #199
Being over-qualified and aged less than 40 can be a major drawback to anyone job hunting, especially at the moment. Employers are suspicious of motives & worried that as soon as things pick up people will move on.
My daughters boyfriend (a fully qualified accountant) finds himself in this position at the moment; he hates his current job and is willing to consider lower paid work to get out but he has been told several times he would not be considered because he is too well qualified.
15th October 2009, 02:49 PM #200
Customise the application for the job applied for. I would leave off Microsoft Certs if I thought they were going to hinder my chances at a lower paid/skilled job. This is why i think that sending off dozens of applications a day is a waste of time because to tailor each application for each job takes time and patience. You can not rush it or you end up with no chance.
I always tell prospective employers that i am looking at a long term position and hope to settle down and get settled in the area etc and start a family. You say what you need to say to get the job. Who knows, you may just do that or you may just leave a year later for something better. A job is not a ball and chain but you don't want to tell them that when you apply. Any sane person would move on for something better if it appears.
15th October 2009, 07:09 PM #201
15th October 2009, 07:38 PM #202
15th October 2009, 08:48 PM #203
eugh, i didn't say 50+ women are useless or have no quals. but 50+ women applying for jobs in tesco tend to not have high quals or are looking for a quiet job.
I didn't write their hiring policy anyway.
15th October 2009, 08:57 PM #204
Oh no you're not comparing working in a primary school to working at tesco are you? That'll irritate few on here
I'm not entering into any deep and meaningful discussions on this thread, mine was a flippant comment about being 50
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15th October 2009, 10:04 PM #205
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15th October 2009, 11:57 PM #206
- Rep Power
When I saw this thread I immediately thought this guy has some disability.
People don't realise how hard to get any job with a disability... why don't you all send a separate cv /job application only different is on the form is names and address and disability but list exact same qualifications... see which get the most reply or offer for job interview.
Don't be surprised by the findings.
16th October 2009, 06:45 AM #207
With apologies to AXE for us going Off Topic, I'd like to close the debate opened by Torledo among others. I will start another thread that can continue this!
Attitudes to Primary Sector
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16th October 2009, 03:28 PM #208
any news of anything else promising axe? been a while since we had an update? any interviews etc...
16th October 2009, 05:42 PM #209
Originally Posted by fintang
To expand on this a little, that's not a bad idea. Don't put your disability on your CV though, mention it in your covering letter. In a CV a disability is, for want of a better description, an excuse in something that should be selling you. In a covering letter, it's keeping them informed. Some potential employers might not actually read your covering letter if they have a lot of applications to get through. Effectively you want to force them to believe your bullet pointed sales pitch with your CV. Only when they've opened their eyes a bit and seen what you say you're capable of will they read your covering letter. That way, they're more likely to think "that won't be a problem, with those skills/experience, we can work around that" rather than "Liability, next!"
I think I mentioned already that I made my disability sound like an ability - give it a try.
Greatly exaggerated example: a partially sighted man applying for a job as an audio-acoustic expert.
"I may be blind/partially sighted, however with very little adjustment this gives me a higher ability than average with my other senses - my audial perception is far more acute than the next person, making me ideal for this sort of position"
For some reason I can't find any of my application letters - I've put them in that ruddy Safe Place (tm)! If I find one, I'll post that part of it up.
Ahh, gotcha, and in time for an edit
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I do have Asperger's Syndrome, a high functioning form of Autism. The only disability this causes is a speech issue making telephone work difficult. Face to face communication is rarely effected. Positively, this gives me a far greater level of focus and self-motivation, especially in my chosen career path of IT. I also have mild hyperactivity, however this is channelled through my work and is again more of a positive ability in the workplace.
**** endsnip ****
Taken from a successful application cover letter back in 2007. Feel free to modify & use something similar - and anyone else is free to correct my appalling grammar/sentence structure
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17th October 2009, 10:01 AM #210
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I would think that if the disability does not affect the job per se then it's best not to mention it at all. e.g. applying for a tech support post - if you had no arms, then it would be fair to mention that lifting and moving equipment would be a struggle, however if you have aspergers and find it difficult to talk to new people, it would probably be best to get to interview and let the interviewers make up their mind - after all, they would be 'new people'. Mentioning it in a cv or covering letter would probably mean you wouldn't get as far as interview, so eliminating your chances at hurdle one. Just my tuppenceworth (or less!).
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