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    Help, Advice, Fancy taking somone under your wing?

    Hello everyone!

    First of all, allow me apologise if this topic has been posted in the wrong board, I seemed to think this would be the most suitable place for it :P

    Right.. now onto introducing myself, my name is Tom Kirby, I am 20 years old, currently working as a workbench technician specialising in building high end servers(we shipped a 24TB server out last week to one of our customers) our company (iBASE) is also the sole provider of custom built systems for a company called “inspired gaming group” these people are responsible for all of the SBG(Server based gaming) systems you see in pubs and clubs, as well as these new streaming jukeboxes you find on the wall down your local.. It is my responsibly to fix them when they go wrong(with over 50,000 systems out there, however good our motherboards are, there still not reaching the title of “indestructible” hehe

    I’ve been reading these Forums over the last couple of days and find them a VERY interesting read!

    Anyway, enough about me! This topics main aim (as the subject suggests) is to ask for advice in how I would go about gaining employment (or making myself more appearing to employers) within the education sector?

    I do regular voluntary work for a small junior school, my duties include basic Desktop support (getting screens to mirror on the laptop and interactive whiteboards..) to hardware repair(what ATM is my speciality due to my current line of work) and I am soon going to expand there wired network(ok ok.. I’m going to install a additional switch and patch in the remaining network sockets the installation engineer kindly didn’t connect.. hehe)

    I enjoy working in the school environment, and feel that I am able to offer a vast array of skills, but also (mainly due to my age (still a baby compared to you 40-50 year old techies who have been doing it all your life)) gain additional experience and knowledge..

    I take a high interest in software and hardware designed for the education sector. And was just the other day testing out LanSchool on my home mock-up domain.

    I am experienced in server 2003(self taught so no qualifications to back it) and have a reasonable knowledge of active directory, and group policies, networking(Networking+ / Self Taught) web Design(dream weaver, Photoshop) , and VERY basic knowledge of Visual Basic coding and PHP coding….

    I am A+ qualified, as well as Network+ qualified. And I also possess both:
    - 70-271 Supporting Users and Troubleshooting A Microsoft XP Operating System
    - 70-272 Supporting Users and Troubleshooting Desktop Applications On A Microsoft Windows XP Operating System

    That will go towards my MCSE once I get the money to attend evening college.

    I am looking for any pointers of how you gained your jobs, if I should contact schools/colleges. And hopefully, attract some attention from possible employment agencies or techies who wouldn’t mind taking on a junior under there wing…

    Hope I haven’t bored you all too much! And really hope you are able to help with advice and guidance in the right direction!

    Regards

    Tom Kirby

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    I got into the education sector by applying for IT jobs in schools & colleges when they were advertised in our local paper. Another bit of advice is to "just be yourself" if you do get an interview.

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    the more i read on these forums. the more i want to become a Techie in edu....

    due to the fact i don't have allot of work experience. it makes it extreamly hard applying for jobs.. I have allot of voluntary experience, but my CV just isn't apearling enough! i want/need somone on the inside i can kinda prove myself to.. and show them im as good as everyone else, its just i learnt from self taught experience. and the only way to prove that is by giving me the job... see the problem? hehe

    - Tom

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    i bet its not as big a problem as you think it is!. There are many entry level jobs going and they often require less skill than you seem to have.

    the mcp's might help, be proactive, dont wait for funding, get a book, read it, find other resources (cbtnuggets, measureup, testout) and go for the exam once your happy!.

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    It may be worth going back to the school you went to as a student and trying to get your foot in the door their. That way your background from when you were a student will be taking into consideration rather then a CV.

    As people often say its often who you know not what you know.

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    Hi Tom,

    Welcome to Edugeek. You might find that you're earning more money in your present role than you would be working as a techie or even an NM in education. The salaries are/can be on the low side shall I say compared to industry...

    It sounds like you've got some really marketable skills and the fact that you are working towards your MCSE is a huge advantage. I'd concentrate on putting together a really tight CV and honing your interview technique.

    Apply for as many positions as you can - both in education and industry - quite often they'll appoint candidates who might not exactly fit their brief but who can demonstrate the ability to acquire the necessary skills quickly.

    Best of luck with the job hunting!

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    the junior school i attended is the school im currently doing voluntary for.. the secondary(as with the junior infact) is a school that is not large enough to employ a full time techie.

    as for earning more in my current industry then i would in education, i don't think so. im extreamly under payed(but its the only first IT job i could find that didn't involve me saying "hello, tech support" all day(desktop support and help desk is all good, but when your sitting there day in day out, doing help desk to the "public"... it just ain't cutting it really...)

    so no one is able to take a junior under there wing then?

    my CV is actully quite good! do you recommend mailing it to every school/college in the area?

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    Speak to SpecialAgent on this site - http://www.specialagent.co.uk/. They deal with ICT based jobs.

    He may be able to help you.

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    Do you have a car?

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    @Tom-Kirby: You are definately heading in the right direction and your experience is building by the day. Don't forget to check the vacancies pages of your local council website, a lot of school jobs will be advertised there as well as in the paper, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylv3r View Post
    Speak to SpecialAgent on this site - http://www.specialagent.co.uk/. They deal with ICT based jobs.

    He may be able to help you.
    I have already e-mailed Him over my CV and detailed pretty much what i detailed in my original post.


    Quote Originally Posted by mrwobbly View Post
    Do you have a car?
    Sadly not i have problem of not having enough money to learn, and by me not learning means i can't earn anymore money buy applying for jobs that offer higher payed technician jobs, but require a car..

    Im willing to travel though! (as long as there is a reliable travel route. and that the cost of travel won't leave me with bearly any money at the end of the month!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Kirby View Post
    I have already e-mailed Him over my CV and detailed pretty much what i detailed in my original post.




    Sadly not i have problem of not having enough money to learn, and by me not learning means i can't earn anymore money buy applying for jobs that offer higher payed technician jobs, but require a car..

    Im willing to travel though! (as long as there is a reliable travel route. and that the cost of travel won't leave me with bearly any money at the end of the month!)
    tom, my advise is to start on the track to learning and passing you're driving test. While not immediately necessary, within a few years you don't want to restrict yourself by the distance you're able to travel.

    Also, many jobs in IT require an engineer to be mobile, such as field service, ergo you need to be able to drive.

    You're experience is quite intriguing in that you're building customized servers. Having the requisite server hardware and software knowledge and experience is a big plus. Coupled with the other experience you have, you shouldn't need to start at the bottom rung of the ladder.

    A job as a technician in a school you should be able to get, as a lot of these positions are filled by people with little or no experience. So you should have an advantage. What about you're old secondary school write them a letter or sound out the headteacher about the possibility of work experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Kirby View Post
    I am 20 years old, currently working as a workbench technician specialising in building high end servers
    You're 20 years old, quite bright and literate sounding, I should have thought a degree of some kind would have been your best option. Have you specifically decided against a degree for some reason - personal, financial, lack of entry qualifications? The school-based IT-support engineer job description could simply vanish in 5 or 10 years time, it would be sensible to gain qualifications and knowledge that range over as wide an area as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    You're 20 years old, quite bright and literate sounding, I should have thought a degree of some kind would have been your best option. Have you specifically decided against a degree for some reason - personal, financial, lack of entry qualifications? The school-based IT-support engineer job description could simply vanish in 5 or 10 years time, it would be sensible to gain qualifications and knowledge that range over as wide an area as possible.

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    Entry requirements have held me back, aswell as the fact i couldn't go through another 2-3 years of writing essays. im over all of that now! hehe.

    the way i see myself(without sound to big headed) is somone who has a large amount of technical knowledge and is dedicated to learning new and existing technology and skills. infact, i pretty much dedicated most of my life to IT! (after a painfull break up with my ex, i needed somone to consentrate my mind on..)(i mean..its 11:40 at night. and i just finnish reading about RIS! lol)

    i have it all in my head. but no way of proving to people my capablitys..

    i feel that i am one of these people who needs to do a vast amount in my job to a degree, i know all jobs have repetition, but id love to introduce new features to a school intranet one day and be rolling out vista (when it stops being shit hehe) over a network the next!

    standing here, fixing gaming machines day in day out is more like a production line. we have had a big backlog of faulty machines and my company has employed additional staff with no technical background what so ever at the same wage as me, and im a qualifyed hardware engineer, these are your usual "a screw driver goes this way to undo and this way to do up" im forever helping them...(he managed to put a notched IDE cable in the wrong way on a motherboard, please somone! answer me how this is possible! )

    i just wish a school would realise my ablitys!!

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    tom

    dhicks makes a very good point about the future of IT technicians in schools, and it's something for you to bear in mind.

    If you are intent on working in education, then you just have to keep plugging away, you'll eventually get you're foot in the door somewhere. And from then on build up you're experience on the job to move on to bigger and better things. what you shouldn't do is play down you're current role...it may be a production line but the key is not to sell it as such and to somehow find even the most tenuous links between what you do now and the jobs you're applying to do would require you to do..

    fortunately, you're current role isn't a million miles away from what you'd be required to do as an it tech.

    also, you're competitive advantages are you're certs. And while you may not have experience of deploying certain techniogies in a business setting, the fact you are getting to grips with things like RIS speaks volumes about you're eagerness to learn to a potential employer. as long as you haven't got hitherto character flaws that come out at interviews i see no reason why you won't land a position so long as you keep persisting and ramp up the job application effort. When i was looking for a job, no detail was too small...i'd spend ages on the application forms, and the interviews i always took deadly seriosly.

    these days as i don't need to impress i look like a bum most of the time...but until you get you're feet under the table somewhere you've got no such luxury.

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