Paying back training fee if i leave ??

difinity · 09-10-2008, 01:59 PM

Hello, i am a IT technician at a school in Leicestershire, i was recently sent on a Microsoft training course 70-291. This was enable me to help out more on the network side of things to help out our network manager.
I have now been asked by the business manager to sign a contract that states that if i leave within 6 months i have to pay back 100% of the fee, between 6 months and a year 75%, between 1 year and 18 months 50% and between 18 months and 2 years 25%.

My question is are there any other technicians especially from Leicestershire that have encountered this ? The business manager says its a council policy, however the document has no logo or name on.

cheers

ozzy · 09-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Did you ask to go on the course? or did the school ask you to do it?

ICT_GUY · 09-10-2008, 02:04 PM

If you have had the training, then why sign? They should have notified you before you took the class. There is no way I would sign that after the event.

I doubt that they could force you to sign, though you could always use the "I will check with my union rep first" bluff and see what your boss says.

bossman · 09-10-2008, 02:09 PM

It is normal procedure but usually asked before you attend the course, i would think that it has been an afterthought on behalf of your HR or they are incredibly slow.

I wouldn't read to much into it unless you are thinking of leaving them suddenly in which they are only safeguarding themselves as would you in their position.

difinity · 09-10-2008, 02:11 PM

Hi, ozzy, they asked me if i wanted to go on the course, and ICT_GUY, yeah i had the same thought, why sign if i've already done it.
If/when i take the exam i guess they won't send me on any more training until i do sign.

thankyou

pete · 09-10-2008, 02:40 PM

Discover if teachers have to pay back training fees for courses if they leave within 2 years.

jcollings · 09-10-2008, 02:45 PM

It would seem reasonable to ask you to sign this before going on the course and indeed I have worked in many places where this is the norm. However to do it after attendance is unreasonable and I probably wouldn't sign it on that basis.

joe90bass · 09-10-2008, 03:02 PM

I agree, perfectly reasonable before the training. A bit unfair after. I would have a chat with your union rep. It may be that you can meet half way? Shows your willing to cooperate, but not be pushed into it!?

As for teachers getting the same treatment, doesn't a lot of their funding come from central pots rather than school budget? Worth asking though!

srochford · 09-10-2008, 03:04 PM

This kind of thing is often built into contracts and if it is then I think it's actually irrelevant if you sign an extra piece of paper before or after you go on the course.

It would be nice if you were reminded of this at the time you booked the course ...

Sylv3r · 09-10-2008, 08:14 PM

The school here is heavily into CPD and developing staff even if it meant them moving on. Nobody would be asked to sign anything like that here.

russdev · 09-10-2008, 09:27 PM

Hello from across the pond (well the soar valley) well just about to start mcsa paid for by the school and head did say i wasn't allowed to leave for next 25 years hope he was joking

But as far as aware no official policy from Leicestershire on this certainly not seen anything on eis..

gaz350 · 09-10-2008, 09:57 PM

perhaps you should get them to sign a piece of paper saying they wont transfer your services over to a managed service for the next 25 years

somabc · 09-10-2008, 10:10 PM

Tell them you want the 2 years salary upfront as a show of good faith. That will put the wind up them

.

The only problem that you face is if you refuse to sign they could be reluctant to send you on further courses.

Still I would refuse to sign on principle as this was not made clear before you took the course. Tackle any future training problems next time it comes up.

Face-Man · 09-10-2008, 11:20 PM

I would point out that now you are better qualified that you would be happy to sign the contract if they add the cost of the course to your wage package

...
Realistically anything that is not arranged before you were trained as a term and conditions for the school paying for the training is unreasonable. I take it your school doesn't have investors in people status !

john · 09-10-2008, 11:27 PM

As others have said, asking after you've done it is wrong, before it could be considered, also if they are wanting it signing now you want them to, on successful passing of the exam, and your certified new skills in that area, ensure that you are appropriatly paid for the proven new skills you have. I'm very sure if I'd have got my foundation degree from Lancaster Uni that my old place wouldn't have paid me the correct rate for my skills, they didn't when I didn't have bits of paper so who says they would with them!

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difinity Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Paying back training fee if i leave ?? Hello, i am a IT technician at a school in Leicestershire, i was recently sent on a Microsoft training course 70-291. This was enable me to help out more on the network side of things to help out our network manager. I have now been asked by the business manager to sign a contract that states that if i leave within 6 months i have to pay back 100% of the fee, between 6 months and a year 75%, between 1 year and 18 months 50% and between 18 months and 2 years 25%. My question is are there any other technicians especially from Leicestershire that have encountered this ? The business manager says its a council policy, however the document has no logo or name on. cheers

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09-10-2008, 02:03 PM	#2
ozzy Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 3	Did you ask to go on the course? or did the school ask you to do it?

09-10-2008, 02:04 PM	#3
ICT_GUY Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Weymouth Posts: 891 Thanks: 146 Thanked 44 Times in 31 Posts Rep Power: 16	If you have had the training, then why sign? They should have notified you before you took the class. There is no way I would sign that after the event. I doubt that they could force you to sign, though you could always use the "I will check with my union rep first" bluff and see what your boss says.

09-10-2008, 02:09 PM	#4
bossman Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Co Durham North East England Posts: 1,133 Thanks: 34 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts Rep Power: 16	It is normal procedure but usually asked before you attend the course, i would think that it has been an afterthought on behalf of your HR or they are incredibly slow. I wouldn't read to much into it unless you are thinking of leaving them suddenly in which they are only safeguarding themselves as would you in their position.

09-10-2008, 02:11 PM	#5
difinity Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Hi, ozzy, they asked me if i wanted to go on the course, and ICT_GUY, yeah i had the same thought, why sign if i've already done it. If/when i take the exam i guess they won't send me on any more training until i do sign. thankyou

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pete Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In the server room, with the lead pipe. Posts: 1,038 Thanks: 26 Thanked 36 Times in 25 Posts Rep Power: 15	Discover if teachers have to pay back training fees for courses if they leave within 2 years.

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jcollings Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kendal Posts: 849 Thanks: 37 Thanked 47 Times in 42 Posts Rep Power: 15	It would seem reasonable to ask you to sign this before going on the course and indeed I have worked in many places where this is the norm. However to do it after attendance is unreasonable and I probably wouldn't sign it on that basis.

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joe90bass Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: S Wales Posts: 548 Thanks: 43 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Rep Power: 8	I agree, perfectly reasonable before the training. A bit unfair after. I would have a chat with your union rep. It may be that you can meet half way? Shows your willing to cooperate, but not be pushed into it!? As for teachers getting the same treatment, doesn't a lot of their funding come from central pots rather than school budget? Worth asking though!

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srochford Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176 Thanks: 1 Thanked 122 Times in 107 Posts Rep Power: 31	This kind of thing is often built into contracts and if it is then I think it's actually irrelevant if you sign an extra piece of paper before or after you go on the course. It would be nice if you were reminded of this at the time you booked the course ...

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Sylv3r Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Co. Durham Posts: 1,126 Thanks: 32 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts Rep Power: 19	The school here is heavily into CPD and developing staff even if it meant them moving on. Nobody would be asked to sign anything like that here.

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09-10-2008, 09:27 PM	#11
russdev Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 5,221 Thanks: 34 Thanked 85 Times in 60 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Hello from across the pond (well the soar valley) well just about to start mcsa paid for by the school and head did say i wasn't allowed to leave for next 25 years hope he was joking But as far as aware no official policy from Leicestershire on this certainly not seen anything on eis..

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gaz350 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rutland, east.leicestershire :P Posts: 314 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Rep Power: 6	perhaps you should get them to sign a piece of paper saying they wont transfer your services over to a managed service for the next 25 years

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somabc Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London Posts: 630 Thanks: 15 Thanked 43 Times in 35 Posts Rep Power: 17	Tell them you want the 2 years salary upfront as a show of good faith. That will put the wind up them . The only problem that you face is if you refuse to sign they could be reluctant to send you on further courses. Still I would refuse to sign on principle as this was not made clear before you took the course. Tackle any future training problems next time it comes up.

09-10-2008, 11:20 PM	#14
Face-Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London Posts: 315 Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts Rep Power: 12	I would point out that now you are better qualified that you would be happy to sign the contract if they add the cost of the course to your wage package ... Realistically anything that is not arranged before you were trained as a term and conditions for the school paying for the training is unreasonable. I take it your school doesn't have investors in people status !

09-10-2008, 11:27 PM	#15
john Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern England Posts: 4,380 Thanks: 92 Thanked 51 Times in 46 Posts Rep Power: 24	As others have said, asking after you've done it is wrong, before it could be considered, also if they are wanting it signing now you want them to, on successful passing of the exam, and your certified new skills in that area, ensure that you are appropriatly paid for the proven new skills you have. I'm very sure if I'd have got my foundation degree from Lancaster Uni that my old place wouldn't have paid me the correct rate for my skills, they didn't when I didn't have bits of paper so who says they would with them!