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Comments and Suggestions Thread, Member 'expert' status suggestion in EduGeek Stuff; Originally Posted by Hightower How would it be ranked though? I'd like to have a pop for a few of ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    How would it be ranked though? I'd like to have a pop for a few of the coding 'specialist' badges should they come about. Do I not get one if someone is better than me? Or do I have to take an EduExam to attain the mark against my name?
    I'd say that for each relevant forum, there could be a public vote opened up to members who have been active for over 6 months (so that they would have a good idea who gives out the best advice on a topic) to vote for someone to be honoured that rank.

    It's a nice idea but as maniac said, this can split communities causing ill-feeling and jealousy from members who feel someone doesn't deserve a title or that they deserve it more.

    Personally I know a few people who always give me top notch advice in certain areas, and I think those people know who they are as some of us regulars (am I a regular yet lol?) will openly ask for their advice on the boards or via PM

    EDIT: maniac's suggestion sounds good to me, +1 to that if EG did go down this route

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    Maybe there could be an extension to the existing rep system that ties rep to one of the forums, so you could see for example that a certain person's had 50 points in the windows forum, and 120 points in the linux forum etc. and make your own mind up about the strength of their advice based on that?
    Yes that is interesting idea. I wonder if that is currently possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by pauljonze View Post
    I tend to judge the expertise of any posts I find on EduGeek by whether they work or not, what if a new member were an absolute wizz at PHP but hadn't earned the badges? The existing system works fine IMHO.
    Thing is one of the reasons I thought about this was after a reading a few threads that contained very bad advice that someone trusted and made the problem worse. A 'suck it and see' approach is not always possible.

    The new member point is valid but that is not the way communities work is it? Regardless of how whizzy at php someone professes to be, I would rather take the opinion of the community who have decided to recommend a member who is proven to know they about php. Plus if they really are that good then I suggest that they might gain a good reputation among the community and be recommended themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Also, would it not mean that those people who were knowledgeable in lots of areas would end up with a profile full of badges? Look at Geoff for example...
    Could do I guess.
    Then again would be people want to have lots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Could do I guess.
    Then again would be people want to have lots?
    Perhaps if a user has more than one, they get a particular badge to signify this, with full details on their profile page

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Thing is one of the reasons I thought about this was after a reading a few threads that contained very bad advice that someone trusted and made the problem worse.
    I'm sorry, but the way I see it is these forums are not policed (in terms of checking solutions work). What's to stop a 'trusted' person giving you good advice that is bad advice because your network is slightly different.

    Anybody who doesn't cross reference solutions provided here deserves to deal with the consequences. I wouldn't go mucking around with live services no matter how trusted the source was, without testing first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    What's to stop a 'trusted' person giving you good advice that is bad advice
    Good advice, by definition, is not bad advice

    Seriously though, advice is just that: advice. It's not a fix-all, definitive solution to every conceivable scenario, it's advice based on experience and knowledge, and it's easy to spot when somebody knows what they are talking about and when they are just guessing; that's the difference between good and bad advice.

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    As long as it's not based upon how many times a poster has been thanked, as this function is abused beyond a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    I'm sorry, but the way I see it is these forums are not policed (in terms of checking solutions work). What's to stop a 'trusted' person giving you good advice that is bad advice because your network is slightly different.
    Well technically nothing. However, someone who has been recognised as providing high quality advice is much less likely to give advice that is going to cause major problems. Right?
    Also I never advocated vetting solutions, this is just impractical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    Anybody who doesn't cross reference solutions provided here deserves to deal with the consequences. I wouldn't go mucking around with live services no matter how trusted the source was, without testing first.
    Of course we are all responsible for what actions we take on our networks. But if someone gets a raft of answers to their problem, then giving some kind of indication of who actually knows about the issue can only help. After all that's why we're here isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AyatollahPies View Post
    As long as it's not based upon how many times a poster has been thanked, as this function is abused beyond a joke.
    **Original reply edited**

    Sorry do you mean the thanks function is absurd or my suggestion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    Maybe there could be an extension to the existing rep system that ties rep to one of the forums, so you could see for example that a certain person's had 50 points in the windows forum, and 120 points in the linux forum etc. and make your own mind up about the strength of their advice based on that?
    I think that this would be an extremely useful feature that would actually solve a bunch of the issues that people have with the current setup and apart from coding it does not require any additional overhead from the users or the managment staff. This leaves the grading wholely to the community which avoids the bottlenecks of only a few people having to do it and adds to the democracy of the feature.

    If there was a breakdown avalible of the rep score by forum (maybe linked from the bar into a page on the users profile) then it would clearly show what kinds of things that user gained their rep for and you could see if it was mostly for 'dog in sunglasses' type posts. Overall I think that this feature would address any percived unfairness in the existing system and is a very good idea which I personally hope is enacted at some point in the future. Fantastic idea maniac

    Quote Originally Posted by AyatollahPies View Post
    As long as it's not based upon how many times a poster has been thanked, as this function is abused beyond a joke.
    I think that this does still need to be taken into account as it is not always abused, I think that the division of these into the seporate forums would also make it easier to filter out errant data.
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    I dont see the need for an additional specialism/experty badge really. If you spend a length of time on here, you get an idea of the people who regularly post in specific forums anyway. A breakdown of where people have been thanked could be usefull if you would like to see which areas different users are interested or knowledgable in.

    I always thought this was a forum for IT people to help each other out with problems which we have all encountered rather than doing huge amounts of research individually. If I can help out others then I will, but 9 times out of 10 most areas that I can help in have already been answered before I've even read the post. Does this mean that there are more experts in specific areas than me? Or does this just mean that people have replied before I have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by penfold View Post
    Does this mean that there are more experts in specific areas than me? Or does this just mean that people have replied before I have?
    See, this is where things like this start to damage communities. I'm not saying that you were taking this personally penfold, but felt it was a good example of how people can start to feel like "what's the point, he has a badge and I haven't but I knew that too". Again, not saying you did react like that penfold, but you can see how it can easily get that way with some people, when all it really means is that they don't happen to be hovering on the boards as much as others

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    See, this is where things like this start to damage communities. I'm not saying that you were taking this personally penfold, but felt it was a good example of how people can start to feel like "what's the point, he has a badge and I haven't but I knew that too". Again, not saying you did react like that penfold, but you can see how it can easily get that way with some people, when all it really means is that they don't happen to be hovering on the boards as much as others
    Ok I am just going to say this and its a genuine question, not aimed at anyone in particular.

    Aren't we grown up enough to not get huffy about this kind of thing?
    If not its a sad state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Aren't we grown up enough to not get huffy about this kind of thing?
    You'd like to believe so, but (I won't name anybody) I'm afraid there are a few around here who I think would cause a fuss over this kind of thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Ok I am just going to say this and its a genuine question, not aimed at anyone in particular.

    Aren't we grown up enough to not get huffy about this kind of thing?
    If not its a sad state of affairs.
    Its difficult really. I've had people get incredibly angry at me during discussions on here, taking general comments as if they were individually being attacked (so much so that I have had one threat of violence at one point). Different people react differently on here, so it would be inevitable that people would feel like they were getting a raw deal or that others were getting special treatment through any such system of 'badges'.



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