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19th July 2009, 05:09 PM #1
I think someone has said this before but do people think about having green IT forum. Being that in next 12 months this going to become quite big in peoples agendas.
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19th July 2009, 05:47 PM #2
So, reading between the lines of the press release that's been dumped everywhere "government decides on strategy, but yet again fails to properly communicate that strategy to the people who need to implement it?".
Yes, forum would be a good idea.
Ok, I've read through the strategy paper and my thoughts are twofold:
a) Some of that stuff applies to undocumented .gov data centres where no-one actually knows what a server does or who owns it.
b) The rest is stuff that we already do as a school because it's a) obvious b) saves us money.
Computers off overnight - check
Enable monitor power-saving - check
Printers on duplex - check
Printers default to b&w - check
Power saving on printers - check
Hardware recycled - check
Reuse older harder in low-demand areas - check
Hardware only replaced when necessary - check
Increase server utilisation to a minimum of 50% where possible - we've been using virtualisation for years in production and testing.
Does .gov.uk really need a strategy to enforce what's common sense? Are there really knobheads in central government who don't power down end-user kit automatically overnight? I especially like item 6 on page 17 "a high powered machine suitable for high graphic gaming is not needed in a central government office" (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/3/12/)
Edit again, reading of further idiocy.
"Consider replacing CRTs with LCDs as part of a refresh cycle" - really? They really feel the need to point this out?
Last edited by pete; 19th July 2009 at 06:23 PM.
20th July 2009, 09:53 AM #3
It could be a useful forum to have in which to throw ideas around, although as Pete says, I suspect that most if not all of us are already doing the really obvious things. There are no doubt other areas which we haven't yet all explored, though.
Remember that "green IT" should be more than just power-saving too - include re-use and recycling, as well as responsible sourcing/manufacture methods (i.e. not using brands who are known to have caused excessive pollution from their factories).
20th July 2009, 09:59 AM #4
Originally Posted by pete
They're users, what do you expect?
And unlike in a school there might actually be people working late (in theory, I don't know if civil servants actually know that you can stay at work past four-thirty), so you can't do a site-wide automatic power down.
20th July 2009, 10:08 AM #5
Yes you can, you just need to be careful with it. Here the shutdown script runs with a "cancel" option so the one or two people working late can do so, but the remaining 99% of computers can shut down. The script then runs again later in the evening to get any which were cancelled. We also run it in phases, so the classroom computers switch off just after the end of the staff, but the staff room and office computers don't switch off until later on.
Originally Posted by jamesb
20th July 2009, 10:46 AM #6
I'd be interested to see the script if at all possible.
20th July 2009, 11:00 AM #7
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Strategy doc (pdf) http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/medi..._ict080724.pdf
Areas for potential carbon reduction: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/medi...tion081028.pdf
It's also worth noting that the requirements for 2012 are for Central Government. (I'm not saying we shouldn't be implementing green measures where sensible to do so, just that we don't need to panic anytime soon).
20th July 2009, 11:11 AM #8
The script is using BeyondExec - Spawn Processes or Shutdown Remote Windows NT/2000/XP WorkStations
I have a batch file for each phase of the shutdown, with one line per PC, e.g.
beyondexec \\it1-01 -l 60 -d Shutdown -f -m "This PC is about to shut down - please save your work now otherwise any changes you have made will be lost"
beyondexec \\it1-02 -l 60 -d Shutdown -f -m "This PC is about to shut down - please save your work now otherwise any changes you have made will be lost"
This batch file is saved and then set as a scheduled task on the server to run at whatever time is appropriate (I have 4 scheduled tasks). Then, at 9pm a scheduled task runs a second batch file which calls each of those 4 batch files in turn, using the following line:
call "shutdown it1.bat"
call "shutdown it2.bat"
and so on.
6th August 2009, 12:40 AM #9
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6th August 2009, 12:50 AM #10
Originally Posted by pete
Thats not quite true...
The sogce targets are central government but there is another set of targets for LAs. Two that effect schools % decrease across LA estate (that includes schools) and % decrease across whole of LA.
Main thing is lot of LAs not making targets. Ofsted have green IT already in there.
LA need a quick way to meet targets by forcing it on the estate
Step one - LAs ask government to make sure ofsted inspect the green IT side with bit more detail
Step two it becomes an issue for the school and IT support.
6th August 2009, 10:14 AM #11
Fair enough, a few questions though:
Originally Posted by russdev
Is this something that's started or pending?
How do Ofsted (comprising ex-teachers) assess green IT initiatives (understanding them, being able to spot spurious claims, accurately assessing)?
Is it a checkbox thing - "saw computer monitors on in an unattended IT room" - or a quiz / assess school plan for green IT?
When/of whom do Ofsted ask these questions?
Is it part and parcel of a standard inspection or something more targetted?
I know some people on here have actually been asked IT-type questions by inspectors, but our main interaction is occasionally leading them safely out of the corridor maze in the old part of the school.
6th August 2009, 10:59 AM #12
At the moment let me be very clear this speculation that LAs will get Green IT agenda inspected more detailed way but if I was betting man I would say that it will start to come within the next 12 months.
"Being Green" and Green IT is part (is part of sustainable framework which school has to report on the SEF).
Key here is that replacing all the windows is not cost effective. The fact is IT takes up large % of CO2 emissions that is not just including energy use but also manufacture/supply of the items.
So at school level it is about making sure that you are doing the things you can (machines shutoff at night etc, move servers to virtual servers etc). Look at supply are machines buying green (but still do the job and cost the same of non green machines for example).
It is showing that you are doing something towards reducing your CO2 so even once it becomes a focus on the ofsted inspection. I do think it will be along the lines of on the SEF you would have what your are doing and then inspection would make sure that is is the case and not just putting something on SEF for sake of it.
My guess anyway...
Last edited by russdev; 6th August 2009 at 12:21 PM.
6th August 2009, 11:44 AM #13
Cheers. I'm going to badger SMT about our last SEF to see what they've been including (or not).
7th August 2009, 11:34 AM #14
Well, it looks like Shaun and I shall get onto this as soon as we can.
7th August 2009, 11:46 AM #15
I would have thought it better fits under the IT Policies forum
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