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    Re: MSI repository

    K - thanks very much ajb - i'll be testing that out tomorrow!

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    I generally add the Staff or SIMSUSERS group to the local Power Users group and that should take care of permissions issues.
    NOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!

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    Re: MSI repository

    Its seems we all agree some sort of msi resource would help us all

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkGeezer
    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    I generally add the Staff or SIMSUSERS group to the local Power Users group and that should take care of permissions issues.
    NOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!
    WHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy?????

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    Re: MSI repository

    I also add staff to the local power users group. Has saved me muchos time compared to before when it comes to getting software to work

    Ours Policies are tight enough this isn't a problem.

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    Re: MSI repository

    As others have said, it won't be possible to host repackaged MSIs for licensed software. Best bet might be as follows...

    For each application/version...

    1 - Details of the native installer (is it InstallShield, Nullsoft, Wise, MSI etc.)

    2 - How to do a silent install. (ISS files, command line switches etc.)

    3 - How to pre/post configure the installation. (This would include creating MST files, which could be hosted, for MSI based installers)

    4 - Any tips on repackaging the particular app (eg. Don't forget to exclude Flash files, Don't need to include HKCU entries)

    There is obviously a good deal of duplication of the good work that goes on at AppDeploy and a few other places. I suppose if a particular package is well covered elsewhere then it could be linked to.

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    Re: MSI repository

    I have already started a similar section on the wiki a few months ago but there was 0 uptake

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH
    I have already started a similar section on the wiki a few months ago but there was 0 uptake
    Well for what it's worth I'll be popping a lot of stuff up soon regarding primary school software (2simple, etc.. ) shortly as I'm about to tackle installing by GPO instead of using ghosted complete images...

    Expect ranting :?

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkGeezer
    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    I generally add the Staff or SIMSUSERS group to the local Power Users group and that should take care of permissions issues.
    NOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!
    WHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy?????
    Power User rights give a user most rights that an administrator would have.

    You can argue that there should be less risk in a staff context but some people will click on anything shiny that says "Click Me. It'll be fun. I'm not malware. Honest"

    Afterall if anything goes wrong the ICT technician will sort it out.


    I suppose at this stage in the proceedings some will shout "Shared Computer Tool Kit or DeepFreeze"

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by contink
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH
    I have already started a similar section on the wiki a few months ago but there was 0 uptake
    Well for what it's worth I'll be popping a lot of stuff up soon regarding primary school software (2simple, etc.. ) shortly as I'm about to tackle installing by GPO instead of using ghosted complete images...

    Expect ranting :?
    You may already know this, but 2Simple will happily supply MSI files for all their software. Having said that, some of them are less than perfect!

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by ajbritton
    You may already know this, but 2Simple will happily supply MSI files for all their software. Having said that, some of them are less than perfect!
    Heh.. yep... they do to a point but they haven't been written properly for domain users access, so some tweaking is required.. Compared to Granada it's a walk in the park.

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    Re: MSI repository

    Just to note that I've added the 2Simple instructions to the Wiki here:

    http://www.russdev.com/edugeek/doku....imply_software


    It could probably use a little formatting help

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    Re: MSI repository

    Ahh
    Heres one for you law people, what if you guys host the MSI database file (aka not a compacted MSI) which is only the instructions for windows installer deployment. The person has to provide the files in the correct dirs. That means they have to have licenses. You are not hosting the app, just a deployment method
    Also transforms would be useful for things like adobe reader, they cant be breach of anything for the same reasons as hosting the msi db file cant be.

    BTW I also have a transform for executing exe's on a msi for command line silent installs :P

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    Re: MSI repository

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroHour
    Ahh
    Heres one for you law people, what if you guys host the MSI database file (aka not a compacted MSI) which is only the instructions for windows installer deployment. The person has to provide the files in the correct dirs. That means they have to have licenses. You are not hosting the app, just a deployment method
    Also transforms would be useful for things like adobe reader, they cant be breach of anything for the same reasons as hosting the msi db file cant be.

    BTW I also have a transform for executing exe's on a msi for command line silent installs :P
    That might be legal, and for apps with just a few files it might even work, but for an app with thousands of files it would be a bit tedious! The provider of the MSI would need to document very carefully all the files. They are listed in the MSI, but it's not trivial to work out where each file should be stored in the install source tree.

    If there were a tool that took an MSI install and stripped out all the files, documenting as it went, and a corresponding tool which could be used to suck all the files back in, it might just work. Coders... over to you.

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    Re: MSI repository

    Ahh remember though you would get the file structure with some apps when you capture it. That gives a start and I am sure there is a prog that can create a txt of a dir stucture. windirstat *may* do it out of the box and its free

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