Comments and Suggestions Thread, Replies to my blog post in EduGeek Stuff; As an ex-admin I have been over on the dark side so hear me out ...
1) BETT ... for ...
17th February 2009, 12:40 AM #46
As an ex-admin I have been over on the dark side so hear me out ...
1) BETT ... for $deity's sake. It is not just about the meet and greet of existing members, or to get new ones ... that is a by product of the fact that the help point is basically a community service! We are there to help people out. It may not be you, it may be a teacher in your school, or a governor, or a company that is wondering why people have stopped buying their software (well ... it is written in VB5! and yes, that is a comment I had to make this year) Seriously ... BETT is a service, the same way the wiki is, the same way that the projects are ... unfortunately it is one that has to be paid for in pounds rather than in your time.
2) new features. There are times when DB, ZH, Russ, Ric_, a mod or a n other will have an idea, it gets batted around a bit, and people don't comment or there is little feedback. There are other times when other changes get picked up and there are long discussions (the logo is the perfect example). Yes, some things do just appear (tabbed forums, etc) but there are times when people like a bit of a surprise. Do you think the site needs to be run as a committee? Seriously ... been there and done that. Committees are teh death of ideas.Does the site need a larger core group doing some of the work? Too right ... and if I could have I would have stopped on as an admin and if others had the time they would help out more. That is the way things are ... I'm just thankful that there are so many of you lot around to help little old me when I need info.
3) Money. Please remember that this site is owned by one person and supported by many. At the moment this is being done in everybody's spare time. I was lucky that part of my job allowed me to be very active in it. Now it doesn't. To have more of a positive impact on the quality of support provided by techies in schools then things like the Wiki need to be updated more regularly (taking good practice from the discussions), work needs to be done with groups like Becta to make sure the tech specs and information security stuff is usable ... unfortunately time is money. It takes time to organise conferences and we have done most of them by calling in favours to get free space, access to kit, etc ... you can only do that for so long. Even things like TeachMeet (have a search for unconferences ... the essence of just getting in there and throwing ideas and good practice around) cost money ...
4) Chill ... DB has been pretty open and honest about why money is needed, future possibilities and been happy to share what he can when he gets stuff back (freebies, etc) I'm glad he is doing ... heck, I haven't seen a change in the T&Cs every other week like the have on facecrook or WoW!
3 Thanks to GrumbleDook:
Domino (17th February 2009), leco (17th February 2009), vikpaw (17th February 2009)
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17th February 2009, 10:39 AM #47
Just stop and think about it - you were involved with this - you had the experience of doing it - you may have even thought up the idea - just because others think it is not top pri for Edugeek doesn't make their thoughts invalid - we are the members - you are (were) the management - how many workers think the management get it right all the time
1) BETT ... for $deity's sake.
How many managers think the workers can't see the big picture
Stop talking and listen
2) new features. There are times when DB, ZH, Russ, Ric_, a mod or a n other will have an idea, it gets batted around a bit, and people don't comment or there is little feedback..
Honestly, Edugeek just does things - you don't normally ask - you even brag about the surprises that are coming (if we are lucky) I'm sure within the admin group discussions take place - but not normally out here.
There is nothing wrong with this - there is something not quite right with believing that it doesn't happen
This thread is the exception BTW!
This is a privately owned forum - we've no idea/no right to know about the money - its up to DB - I hope he gets rich and retires to a far off island (Meant in the good sense - not the "go away" one )
4) Chill ... DB has been pretty open and honest about why money is needed, future possibilities and been happy to share what he can when he gets stuff back (freebies, etc) I'm glad he is doing ... heck, I haven't seen a change in the T&Cs every other week like the have on facecrook or WoW
worker view != management view and never ever will
PS back to your retirement home
17th February 2009, 11:00 AM #48
On the other hand how many workers think the management can't, or won't, see their point of view?
Originally Posted by SimpleSi
How often is it the case that only those with the loudest voices get heard?
How can we, the viewers of this thread, know what discussions, PMs, telephone calls, actual physical meetings happen? Well I can answer that one myself, we can only know if we are told or are a part of them/it. And even then we may only know the bits we ourselves are party to.
I for one have faith that the owner, admins and mods of this forum attempt to have everyone's best interests at heart. So what if I don't go to BETT or any conferences? That doesn't change the value, for me, of what the forum is about.
Another question then - if we don't stop knocking are we in danger of destroying?
Thanks to leco from:
SimpleSi (17th February 2009)
17th February 2009, 02:03 PM #49
It's no secret that DB plans to earn enough money to buy an island in Morecombe bay and retire with his cat - buying a sheep and a cow and breeding horses.
Originally Posted by SimpleSi
You have no need to worry about secretive telephone calls and meetings. Indeed, I thought it was common knowledge that EduGeek is run via Messenger (other instant messenger services are available - indeed the EduGeek one is pretty good )and two paper cups connected with a piece of string.
Originally Posted by Leco
17th February 2009, 02:12 PM #50
Originally Posted by Ric_
just FYI - breeding a sheep and a cow won't make a horse...
17th February 2009, 02:21 PM #51
Isn't there a danger here of EduGeek becoming too big and losing sight of the core values and the main function which keeps members here - Education techs sharing advice and helping each other.
17th February 2009, 02:34 PM #52
... and having a good laugh whilst doing so? Whatever the size there will remain those that do and those that don't.
Originally Posted by crc-ict
Thanks for the string info Ric_ I often wondered
17th February 2009, 02:36 PM #53
Ah, Red Dwarf. Where would we be without you...
Originally Posted by Ric_
17th February 2009, 02:46 PM #54
for $deity's sake please, as someone that lives close to it, and from one job could look over the bay to it, PLEASE NOTE ITS Morecambe!!!!
17th February 2009, 02:48 PM #55
He might have dreams of going to Morecombe rather than Morecambe, after all it might be better?
Originally Posted by john
17th February 2009, 05:59 PM #56
17th February 2009, 06:14 PM #57
@contink: I think what is confisuing you is the fact that, yes, we can afford to do things at the moment (just!) but we would like to do more and do them better.
For instance, the conferences we hold now are free to attend but you need to make your own way. If we had more money we could subsidise travelling expenses or pay for accomodation - thus allowing those who cannot afford to travel the opportunity to attend.
17th February 2009, 06:22 PM #58
Right... So when DB said... Money isn't a problem he mean't it's not a problem for what we do now, but in order to expand we need more.
Originally Posted by Ric_
Ok... that's fine... Just made my brain hurt for a bit there
17th February 2009, 06:37 PM #59
I'm not entirely sure Edugeek needs to diversify into dedicated MeduGeek, BizuGeek, etc. I think we should continue to welcome those from outside our specialist field but I think by diversifying in this way we run the risk of losing our identity.
If we are looking to expand our core membership we are better looking at the 1000's of IT Tech/NM's in the UK that haven't yet discovered us and expanding more overseas. I think we can gain more as a community by welcoming in IT Techs and NM's from schools around the world than moving in to the Medical or Business markets.
The idea of providing (for a fee) product forums for companies is a particularly interesting one. But I think, if Edugeek decides to go down this route, the companies we offer this service to should have some relevance to the Education sector. Companies and products that this service is offered to should be of mutual benefit to us, the company in question and their end users.
If Edugeek needs to raise funds to finance BETT, Conferences, Advertising, and improvements to the service in Australia and US then I see nothing wrong with carefully placed click-thru ads, selling bespoke message boards to companies, more additions to the Outlet, a 'certified supplier list', etc.
More importantly - Where is the Edugeek shop so I can buy my Edugeek Mug, T-Shirt and Baseball cap?
Hat's off to DB (and all the admins/mods) for his (and their) hard work keeping this all going. This is an invaluable education resource and it'd be a shame to see it disappear or lose it unique identity. Personally I hope DB can earn enough from this venture to retire to an Island off Morecambe ( ) Bay.
17th February 2009, 06:43 PM #60
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