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    Creating our own Union

    Hi everyone
    just thought I would ask the question?
    Firstly, is everyone in the union?
    If majority= Yes then what does everyone think of the unions that we are in?
    do we all feel that education as a whole lets the technical staff down and does not recognise us as professional people in our own right?
    do we all feel that education deals with only the issues of the teachers and pupils?
    If so then does anybody have any issues/views with the education sector that they would like to share with everyone else.
    do we all feel the same way about the governing bodies within education, i.e. that they don't have a clue when it comes to technology but don't want to recognise that it is a complicated job that takes real people to sort it and not just pay it lip service?
    Are we all agreed that we are underpaid, overworked and overlooked???
    tell me what if anything you would like to do about it (and not just rant) perhaps Russ could set something up for us to have a mention in one of the major pc titles as he seems to have good contacts.
    sorry Russ for dropping that in hope you don't mind but i get the feelin from this forum that everyone seems to be thinking in the same vein and that something positive needs to be addressed , How i don't know but that is why i am asking these questions hope you don't mind.
    We are all very valuable people in undervalued enviroments.

    Keep the faith

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    Re: Creating our own Union

    I'll be honest with you and say "you are having a giraffe!!!"

    I have had the unhappy pleasure of looking into unions before (very covertly as a previous employer actually has a clause making it illegal to be a member of a union ... ) and it is a job and a half to even consider getting one up and running.

    The legal aspect alone is a minefield.

    The best prospect is for everyone to be in the same union and the pressure that union to do more for you ... and once you are entrenched you can look at spinning off as a seperate (but affiliated) body, using the legal and advisory services of the parent group.

    Part of the problem is that it is a full time job to look after that aspect of things ... and since we are a narco-cynicalist commune of chicken sacrificers ... erm ... I mean that we are a *free* peer-support group, the best optioins at the moment all boil down to playing the system for what it presently is.

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    Re: Creating our own Union

    lol I wish had contacts to get mention in pc pro or same vain takes all my time to get edugeek mentioed...

    But on personel note and view I have to agree with Tony you cant start union not unless you won lottery hence why unions when they are started are backed my some major finance hence why unless you got 5 grand in back pocket and if so can we get a donation for bett fund....

    tuc fees got cot and arm and leg to start with and tony said there is whole host of legal things to become a union as othewise people that run tuc could be fined.


    Education as a whole lets the technical staff down and does not recognise us as professional people in our own right?
    But then to certain degree BCS are doing that hence why we are trying to arrange some kind of work with them as there work benafits us etc..

    I think we do need to play system and get unions to work for us...

    But to start a union is not feeasble in terms of either EduGeek starting or or a member starting one again unless they have won lottery...

    Also remember that you need a rep in each area due to collative pay deals, people to represent nationally…

    Which involves wages and then you have to get leas to recognise you a s trade union which is deal in itself.

    But saying that if comes to it if someone (can be you can bossman) want to go and confirm what you need to start a union put it all down and work out cost and get people involved then we are happy to promote effort..

    Russ

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    Re: Creating our own Union

    I'm a Unison rep. I took the job 'coz the Head asked for someone to step into the role to help the process of Workload Agreement and now Job Evaluation.

    I've found the whole process to be a complete watse of time, and feel like i've let myself be used as a management scapegoat for getting everything they want.

    It does feel, however, that being a rep and a tech raises techs profiles in the arena. Unison is very weak, solely because it's members, for whatever reason, aren't that interested in doing anything about thier problems [I generalise].

    I'm no good at this rep stuff, but you might be. Get in there and fight our corner, is what i'd like to say.

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    Re: Creating our own Union

    Hi Mark
    thanks for that vote of confidence it raises my spirits to know that other people feel the same way. Even if we can get ourselves organised through unison so that we all can gain strength through numbers and tell unison how we feel in terms of the divide between teachers and us in a positive way instead of just whining cos they don't like moaners in education even though the professional staff seem to do nothing else. I have come to the conclusion that the teaching profession as a whole has become disillusioned and paraniod, they are probably frightened by the technology which seems the government is pushing in place and they feel threatened by it instead of embracing it.

    Thanks again for your support

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    Re: Creating our own Union

    I'm memeber of the GMB mainly for job protection. Betca have servayed heads about School technical staff and they do realise there are issues realeted to training and career prospects. Also most of them haven't got a clue as to what we do and how much they should pay for it. Education will always be teacher centric as they promote from within but they realise that the person controlling the money needs to be properly compensated and we control something almost as powerful information. Infact I know that very few people in my school could do their job without ICT support doing its. Perhaps we should put presure on Becta/DFES to have a recognised list that school ICT specialists can be affiliated to.

    On a side note my union has just posted information on "GUIDANCE ON SKIN CARE IN THE WORKPLACE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS". see the sun your having a laugh this server room has Air Con

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