Cloud, SaaS and SoSaas - Same old Software, as a Service
http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GREED http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/b...post-right.png There is also the issue of how do you control how much x third party thrashes the server or services if tapping directly into the database, regardless of they are core tables or not. What if x third party wants to poll every 10 seconds for the entire database which in a new cloud installation could be for an entire LA so 100000 kids full records...
When your working in the cloud, your paying for every single resource, read are cheap as it'll all be in memory (with any luck), writes are expensive. So maybe I should have said cost of space + change frequency. You'd make sure you have limits on everything, even your own services - things like querying the school name shouldn't happen every 10 secs, checking for messages you would, but you wouldn't use sql tables, you'd use queues. Anyway I digress into the future. Be interested in your findings we all know about the sluhore that is SIMS but be interested to hear how the other MIS provider fair when it comes to getting at the data.
http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PhilNeal http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/b...post-right.png
(remember I am not talking SIMS - we are not in the cloud)
I might get this framed - if only I could find that post where you were trying to tell us it was.
http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Roberto http://staticc3.cdngeek.net/images/b...post-right.png
If I connect directly to the database behind any product and run DROP DATABASE then that's not the vendor's fault, especially if I was warned about it (provided, of course, that all the info in the DB was mine)... That doesn't change just because something is hosted in the cloud, though I don't doubt some people who didn't get the "cloud's not magic" memo would disagree :-(
If it's managed and in the cloud and you got access to the raw tables, you certainly wouldn't have access to drop the database. Still I know what you mean, if it's been designed correctly it'll be all container-ed, however I suspect some companies won't have. It's one of the reasons Office365\Azure was forked from Office\SQL server. "
It is worth starting a new thread with this.
What may help the discussion is confusion that has been caused some suppliers simply relocating their offering into central datacentre and calling it cloud or SaaS.
The following extracts from some critics may help:
SoSaaS:Same old Software, as a Service
I've always beenwary of the term software-as-a-service, not onlybecause SaaS is such an ugly acronym, but also because it conveys completelythe wrong message. It gives the impression that all you need to do is take anyold software package, run it up on a server in a data center, do a bit offinancial engineering so customers can pay on a monthly plan, and hey presto!you've got an on-demand application. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I think it's time to coina new acronym that nails that model much more accurately: Sameold Software, as a Service. This makes it easy to identify on-demandapplications that are not worthy of the name— they're just SoSaaS.
Conventional applicationsoftware simply isn't built for the on-demand model. It doesn'thave the same economies of scale, agility and extensibility, and itsimplementation-centric architecture makes it incapable of delivering equivalentbusiness value — as I'll be demonstrating in the coming months in this blog.Any vendor that takes their existing software and simply delivers it as anonline service just doesn't get it— and their on-demand offering willinevitably be much slower, less flexible and more expensive than rivals thathave rearchitected their applications afresh for the on-demand model.
Knowing this makes it veryeasy to detect whether a vendor's on-demand offering has any validity.Simply listen to what their executives say. Here's Bruce Cleveland, Siebel'snew senior vice president of products, who also oversees Siebel's OnDemandhosted CRM offerings, talking a few days ago about"supplying our products in an on-demand form factor" (huh?):
"... the fact of the matter is that this isall software and it's only the deployment options and financial vehicles thatare used to deliver them that have changed."
Oh dear. Sounds like asevere case of SoSaaS to me.
By Phil Wainewright
Phil Wainewright has been a thought leader in cloud computing as ablogger, analyst and consultant since 1998. As well as documenting thetransformation of 21st century enterprises by digital technology, he has apart-time voluntary role as vice-president of industry advocacy group EuroCloud.