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    Office 365 for education - available now!

    Just a quick heads up for those that have been waiting: Welcome to Office 365 for education - UK Live@edu Blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs


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    Can this be set up under our main domain (.sch.uk) without it causing issues for our other services running under that domain such as email and website. Basically I do not want to change our email or website to MS but would like to use some of the office apps.

    Hope that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    Can this be set up under our main domain (.sch.uk) without it causing issues for our other services running under that domain such as email and website. Basically I do not want to change our email or website to MS but would like to use some of the office apps.

    Hope that makes sense.
    Yes it can with a sub domain.

    Personally I would choose a new shorter domain name and get it up and running on that, its a great opportunity to change it. Our staff really loved the shorted address and it made the changeover very easy.

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    We are a small primary and do not have sub domain. The reason I ask is Google apps gives you the choice of being set up on a domain but does not enable or require key services to be pushed over for it to work. After setting up Gapps you have the choice to move you mail (MX) and dns settings or leave them as they are.

    Is it not possible to do the same with office 365?

    EDIT: Also do not want to start adding other domains in to the mix. If they were a larger primary I would consider it but I only help out as and when needed.
    Last edited by edutech4schools; 28th June 2012 at 09:55 AM.

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    Yay! That's only 6 years behind Google apps for education. Lets hope they put those years to good use in development and testing.

    So which bits are paid for, and which bits are free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    Yay! That's only 6 years behind Google apps for education. Lets hope they put those years to good use in development and testing.

    So which bits are paid for, and which bits are free?
    Well, it does look like a desktop app rather than a telnet session from the 80s and has non-damaging support for all the features of the full Office client alog with the tight integration with the full desktop app. You can also map drives directly without a messy client or HTML mess in the way.

    You get sharepoint, exchange and basic lync for free I think. It does not have the depth of additional apps that the Google environment does but it is not trying to be a universal hammer so specialises more. I imagine that there will be the ability to bolt on stuff to sharepoint to mimic much of that functionality though.

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    So would 365 be a route to completely getting rid of MS Office licenses? and how would this sit with things like SIMS -
    ie can I write an access database in 365 and can I export SIMS documents if I don't have 365 installed.

    Do I even need windows clients and an EES agreement now to run office?

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    I have Google apps at some of my primary schools and it looks like the ones that had wanted to go down the office 365 direction will not be able to as they are expected to alter the DNS and MX records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    So would 365 be a route to completely getting rid of MS Office licenses? and how would this sit with things like SIMS -
    ie can I write an access database in 365 and can I export SIMS documents if I don't have 365 installed.

    Do I even need windows clients and an EES agreement now to run office?
    We are expecting it to complement our existing local office installs. I doubt anyone would completely replace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    I have Google apps at some of my primary schools and it looks like the ones that had wanted to go down the office 365 direction will not be able to as they are expected to alter the DNS and MX records.
    You have to with Google Apps too though? So, I'm not sure what the argument here is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    We are expecting it to complement our existing local office installs. I doubt anyone would completely replace it.
    Why not? We ditched MSOffice a while back for students. Surely if you can get it for free and it has FULL functionality as described then there would be no point paying for Office (or EES given that it would be cheaper to perpetually license windows under a school agreement without office)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    So would 365 be a route to completely getting rid of MS Office licenses? and how would this sit with things like SIMS -
    ie can I write an access database in 365 and can I export SIMS documents if I don't have 365 installed.

    Do I even need windows clients and an EES agreement now to run office?
    Sims uses local APIs to construct the docs I think so you'd need to have it on the stations. If it generates the files independently, which I don't think it does you could theoridicly output them to the sharepoint drive or skydrive then open them from there using the web based solution which should give you 95% of the featureset for view and a decent stack for editing.

    Access is depreciated and horrible, it makes kittens cry when you use it. It is not supported as a web app but depending on the type of sharepoint offered it may be able to use preconstructed ones as searchable read/write data sources inside sharepoint. The better solution would be to write a sharepoint plugin to use its database strutures in SQL, faster/better etc.

    Assuming you'd only use liited features, not the full extended set offered by full Office you could do stacks with the online version and no EES. Depending on your setup you can also pay a bit more for staff to put them on a higher up plan which does cost per month but gives them access to Office Pro desktop as well. You can also tie this into a phone system on the higher plans to pipe calls around and take messages etc but this bit requires an onsite server thanks to VoIP latency issues.

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    Office 365 for education is not a replacement for Office on the desktop. It provides the back-end services (Exchange Online, Lync Online and SharePoint Online) for you to use with your browser, or desktop applications.

    SharePoint Online does come with the Office Web Apps (Word, Excel, OneNote and PowerPoint) but these are lightweight versions for you to create, edit and collaborate "on the go". They work really well in conjunction with a desktop productivity suite, and provide a way to ensure your students and staff can still be productive wherever they are.

    As for it being 6 years behind Google Apps... Live@edu came first.

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    You have to with Google Apps too though? So, I'm not sure what the argument here is.
    no you do not. you can request a file from google that you upload to your web space this proves you have access to your .sch.uk domain and they can enable the full edu apps from this. No messing with DNS. You access all your apps using google.com/a/schoolname.sch.uk but it is easy to get round this. When you log in email is disabled but you have the choice to update your DNS and MX which will in turn enable email or leave your old email system as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    no you do not. you can request a file from google that you upload to your web space this proves you have access to your .sch.uk domain and they can enable the full edu apps from this. No messing with DNS. You access all your apps using google.com/a/schoolname.sch.uk but it is easy to get round this. When you log in email is disabled but you have the choice to update your DNS and MX which will in turn enable email or leave your old email system as is.
    So, you end up with only partial functionality - which for a 'complete' system, which includes email is in my mind pointless. You aren't going to get staff remembering google.com/a/schoolname.sch.uk, for example.

    You lose so many features by not having email enabled.

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