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    I think that ultimately resistance is futile, the cloud is here it has distinct advantages in many areas and these are still evolving.

    What may not look to be suitable for SaaS now may well be in 6 months so we all need to keep an open mind and assume that within your next 5 year plan much of what you have now will indeed be cloud based.

    That does however highlight those Google and 365 shortcomings.
    Schools like Free Stuff, 365 for Edu is no exception but if you do not pay for the service you have limited rights and little or no redress in the case of a failure, outage or data loss.
    Compare Office 365 Education plans - Office.com
    You will see that "Financially backed uptime guarantee" is only available to paying customers.

    Do read the small print.

    Web services, storage etc all have some advantages being cloud based but most of us in education will be running hybrids for many years to come I think.

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    Why are schools not rushing for it?

    Prime example, we had internet trouble today so congratulations instead of internet trouble which affects a 3rd of our system we would lose 90%.



    So worth going cloud, 3rd time we had internet trouble since I have been here (now on 3rd month).

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    There's a simple reason - internet reliability and cost are too low and high respectively. It might be fine for people in cities where they have a choice of ISPs with relatively cheap connectivity.

    Here, if we wanted a non-LEA provided line, we'd be paying 20k minimum. If we were reliant on it, we'd want 2, for reliability, so we'd be looking at a minimum of 40k. However, that is based on current usage. If we were to increase usage, we'd have to increase speeds - meaning the line would then need to be a gigabit bearer, which puts the 'per line' cost up to 32k each...

    After all that, our costs would then be higher than we pay now for our servers...

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    I would also add I am in the process of looking at our current bandwidth, at the moment yesterday downloading a file 300MB took far too long.

    Students have an average of 1GB in their areas, our shared drive has almost 600GB of data. It is far too easily to simply say "go down this route its easy" without considering that not every school has funds for fast bandwidth and as Local mentioned not every school has ISP choices.

    We stick to ours because other companies charge more, we have checked... and frankly this school has lost an average of 110K a year due to other funds being cut in the last 2-3 years..

    You may be saving in one area but sounds like you are being charged in something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    There's a simple reason - internet reliability and cost are too low and high respectively. It might be fine for people in cities where they have a choice of ISPs with relatively cheap connectivity.

    Here, if we wanted a non-LEA provided line, we'd be paying 20k minimum. If we were reliant on it, we'd want 2, for reliability, so we'd be looking at a minimum of 40k. However, that is based on current usage. If we were to increase usage, we'd have to increase speeds - meaning the line would then need to be a gigabit bearer, which puts the 'per line' cost up to 32k each...

    After all that, our costs would then be higher than we pay now for our servers...
    Those costs seem highly excessive!

    Our 100mbit dedicated line costs 14k, with a 80/20mbit VDSL backup.

    Its never gone down in the 2 years we've had it.

    Its supplied by BT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Those costs seem highly excessive!

    Our 100mbit dedicated line costs 14k, with a 80/20mbit VDSL backup.

    Its never gone down in the 2 years we've had it.

    Its supplied by BT.
    They seem excessive, because they are. I have actually had quotes from around 6 different suppliers. Those are the cheapest prices in this area. Compared to our LEA which is about 6k a year or something similar for a 100Mbit line. Don't assume the costs you pay are the same for us. VDSL is also not available in this area. The options are: ADSL or leased line. That's the lot.

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