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CLEO Thread, Equal Pay Review in Regional Broadband Consortiums (RBC); For the around 15,000 non-schools staff, the letter outlines their new pay, grade and terms and conditions. The 16,000 schools ...
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    For the around 15,000 non-schools staff, the letter outlines their new pay, grade and terms and conditions. The 16,000 schools staff covered by the review will receive a letter about terms and conditions, and their job evaluation score will follow soon.
    Looked more closely now

    So all school staff just get the letter we got - saying sign now to agree new t&cs.

    And we are promised another letter with our job evaluation score "soon" - what a wonderful word that - "soon".

    So basically, the other council staff know where they've been put in the new setup - but we don't

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    working on a bank holiday or fixed statutory day off will be paid at time plus 50%;
    Is a Sat/Sun a fixed statutory day off if your a Mon-Fri worker?

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    In response to simplesi

    What if I don't voluntarily agree to the new terms and conditions?
    If we reach agreement with unions on a new pay line and set of terms and conditions, these will apply to all staff (whether or not they are union members).

    But if we can't reach agreement with the unions, you will receive a letter asking you to agree to new terms and conditions from a set date.

    Staff who are not prepared to agree to the new terms and conditions will subsequently be given notice of dismissal coupled with an offer of immediate re-engagement on the new terms and conditions. If this offer is accepted then employment on the new terms and conditions will be continuous with no break in service.

    You cannot appeal against the new terms and conditions but can appeal if your concern is about your job evaluation or the job profile you have been assimilated to.


    Source : https://schoolsportal.lancsngfl.ac.u...8&pageid=29573

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    I think biggest question in terms of us ICT guys is for someone to find a source that says we are Phase 2 staff. I think we would all rest easier if this is the case.

    If this is the case then we will be ok until 2012 if we also (dont see any reason why not) get the protection for 12 months.

    Its certainly going to be interesting and in my opinion i dont see that many problems with the terms they have sent out in terms of ICT people. The only thing that stands out to me is that the a3 leaflet says "summary". Are we signing agreeing the summary or signing to say we agree to some other things that the council doesnt think are important enough to put in a "summary".

    Another point that applies to us and everyone is that the "summary" seems to say that sick pay is only payable after 6 months. (I'm personally not a chronic sick day taker by the way).

    I can however see problems for alot of LCC workers as the bank holiday rate is rubbish and for people have got used to have company cars etc.

    A point that sticks in my mind with this is that somebody will always do your job for less than we do it. Rubbish i know, but has to be said.

    Has anybody looked at birminghams results i posted earlier. If you look at LCC's new pay scales they have put on Equal pay site and relate birminghams scores to that then it doesnt look that bad. Just a massive range from lowest to highest pay.

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    Again in response to simplesi. Source for phase 2 in a round about way.

    The JE team has evaluated
    • 14 posts of Admin scale 1 - 2,
    • 4 posts of Admin scale 3,
    • 4 posts of Admin scale 4,
    • 8 posts of Admin scale 5,
    2 posts of Admin
    • 38 posts of TA 2,
    • 22 posts of TA 3,
    • 5 posts of HLTA ,
    • 7 posts of Learning Mentors
    • 11 posts of Cleaner
    • 3 posts of Site Supervisor 1
    • 0 post of Site Supervisor 2
    • 1 post of Site Supervisor 3
    • 1 post of Site Supervisor 4
    • 3 posts of Bursars
    • 6 School Managers/School Business Managers
    • 2 Exams Officers
    • 2 Senior Midday Supervisors
    • 25 Welfare Assistants


    Source : http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...NT6Yrx4VexB5XQ

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    Nice find but that's dated Sep 2008 so things might have changed since then

    Hopefully, I'll get to see my line manager today (there might be a bit of a queue at his office mind!) and we'll see what he says

    regards

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    HI

    I dont like the bit that agrees to no backpay. The site support staff and cleaners got back pay why should we loose ours.

    Richard

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    Hi,

    I'm a web developer at LCC and I've had my grade reduced today. Here is some information I've managed to find.

    An article giving more detail on the NJC scheme.

    Job Evaluation and Pay protection without the Bullsh*t

    A Scoring and Weighting Matrix so you can decipher you scores.

    http://www.tamesideunison.org.uk/doc...VELS2table.xls

    If there are any web developers, web designers or graphics designers who have found out the NJC score, message me, I'm happy to discuss.

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    My line manager didn't know what grade I'd be on in the new system and can't find anything in the information he's been given and has been unable to find out anything from HR

    He gave me a copy of the new scales and I need to be placed in the new Grade 5 to keep my current salary - of course I'm hoping for Grade 6

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    well i was wondering if were all going to be evaluated in lancashire what everyone actually does and for what money because if we all do something similar they wont reduce our pay as it would be "equal" across the board.

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    I need to have a word with our union rep and see what the union is going to do.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstarkie View Post
    Staff who are not prepared to agree to the new terms and conditions will subsequently be given notice of dismissal coupled with an offer of immediate re-engagement on the new terms and conditions. If this offer is accepted then employment on the new terms and conditions will be continuous with no break in service.
    Can this really be legal? I thought that a change of your terms and conditions had to be agreed by you. Rather negates the whole thing if they can just sack you and re-employ you on the new conditions, doesn't it? Surely not accepting the terms cannot be grounds for dismissal, can it?

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    Well my headteacher text me today and said I was going to be in phase 2 which he believes isn't happening until Nov

    regards

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