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    The thing with schools is if you dont ask you wont get. I manage 4 Primay school networks. (Reception to Y7) and will be in the 25K+ bracket next month after a recent contract review. I also plan to be even higher come this time next year.

    If you feel that you are worth more money, goto SMT with reasons why and present your case.

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    I work in Middlesbrough and after a recent council "Pay Review" they decided to put all network admins up or down to around 14k (Full time), technicians went even further down.

    I was looking at a £4500 loss until my case was reviewed and I ended up getting a nice pay rise instead, but I was one of the lucky ones.

    It seems the council have no idea what we actually do in our jobs. They took no notice of my 5+ years experience, Microsoft certification or Cisco training.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Quote Originally Posted by indie
    I work in Middlesbrough and after a recent council "Pay Review" they decided to put all network admins up or down to around 14k (Full time), technicians went even further down.

    I was looking at a £4500 loss until my case was reviewed and I ended up getting a nice pay rise instead, but I was one of the lucky ones.

    It seems the council have no idea what we actually do in our jobs. They took no notice of my 5+ years experience, Microsoft certification or Cisco training.

    indie
    8O Good grief!! In Lancashire a Network manager should (IMHO) earn in a good school around about 20k. Some earn more than this with extra responsability, but 14k per annum? Our technicians are often on more than that!

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSMAN_MK
    The thing with schools is if you dont ask you wont get. I manage 4 Primay school networks. (Reception to Y7) and will be in the 25K+ bracket next month after a recent contract review. I also plan to be even higher come this time next year.

    If you feel that you are worth more money, goto SMT with reasons why and present your case.
    That's fine for England, but up here in Scotland, we're tied to what the council want to pay us. The school itself has no say in our pay scales.

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    Shame, I for one wouldn't stay in education if it was the same here in bucks. It should be a matter that the more responsibility you take on, the more you will earn. If not, then what reason is there to progress? Shameful.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    It is shameful.

    And I also agree that if it happened here where I am there would be a swift reaction from myself (and I dare say others too) away from education. This would hurt schools and colleges greatly as even more technical staff migrate from them to industry and leave those oh-so-professional teachers to fend for the network themselves...

    Local councils and LEAs need to think hard about this before dictating pay-scales based upon perception. You know, I get the idea that they sit at home and think:

    "Well, I just installed this anti-virus software myself--so how come we're paying those IT staff in [insert school name] so much for doing the same thing?"

    *sigh*

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    That is exactly what they think. Untill of course you leave, and your old school is ringing your mobile off the hook becasue your replacement can't install a SIMS client, even though you showed them twice.

    All schools should have the choice to pay what they want the level off support they want. LEAs need to worry about their own IT depts rather than imposing limits on schools. Maybe then they can learn to disable DHCP on their admin servers when they use staic IPs on the admin stations, thus saving me time sorting out DNS problems

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    £18K. bloody appalling. been on the same wage for six bloody yrs. apparently then, inflation does not affect me. £800 per month mortgage to pay. you do the sums. meanwhile teachers get a £1000 pound increase each year. nice to know life just gets better - for some. sims?? screw sims.

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    I wish we here were in line with local authority rates of pay in IT. Council IT Desktop support staff requiring no formal qualifications start at £18k. There's progression to network support starting at around £25k - again - no qualifications held be most postholders.

    School techs in this authority run whole systems, manage the networks effectively, for £14k on average, £200 a year training budet, £6k annual IT budget and not ever a title above technician.

    Schools here decide thier own rates and we have no fair rate across the authority. I think we need to come in to line with wider IT trends than be seperated from them - we'll benefit then surely.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    I have always wondered about the variety of pay scales across England.

    Let's face it, there is no one out there saying to schools "for a technician that does x, y & z they deserve £X grand a year."

    And even if you take the Becta Technical Competencies levels ... people may be only doing part of the job on a regular basis ... but have to do far more on an ad hoc basis.

    If anyone has any suggestions how this could work a little more smoothly ... let's hear them.

    We should also remember that DfES has asked all LAs to do job assessments of all associate staff working for them, whether in County Offices or in schools. This shold be done for a report that will appear in 2008.

    Perhaps this will include a standardisation of support roles and make sure you get the wages you all deserve.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Schools and LEA's should also look at the long term benefits and disadvantages of employing staff at a reasonable rate of pay that should be roughly in line with standard industry.

    OK, we will never get the same as industry, and to be honest there is a diference how we run and industry runs. BUT if we do not pay a reasonable rate three things happen.

    First schools become an apprentiship for budding technicians and network managers who will leave as soon as they can, once being trained, hence giving the schools a problem of employee retention.

    Second you only attract the 'less able' technicians or those that are not in it just for the money, (which is most of us), teachers included, and who the schools and LEA's take advantage of.

    Third you have a lot of demoralised and demotivated techincians.

    In my opinion it is quite simple really.

    There should be a standardised pay scale with a structured professional development path encompassing on the job training and certified training.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Going to take the above to a different thread later on today. There are a number of things afoot via Becta, amongst them accreditation and training.

    Let me check a few things first and I'll post what I can. This is also linked to talks with SST by Russ and myself.

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexknight
    Schools and LEA's should also look at the long term benefits and disadvantages of employing staff at a reasonable rate of pay that should be roughly in line with standard industry.

    OK, we will never get the same as industry, and to be honest there is a diference how we run and industry runs. BUT if we do not pay a reasonable rate three things happen.

    First schools become an apprentiship for budding technicians and network managers who will leave as soon as they can, once being trained, hence giving the schools a problem of employee retention.

    Second you only attract the 'less able' technicians or those that are not in it just for the money, (which is most of us), teachers included, and who the schools and LEA's take advantage of.

    Third you have a lot of demoralised and demotivated techincians.

    In my opinion it is quite simple really.

    There should be a standardised pay scale with a structured professional development path encompassing on the job training and certified training.
    here here!

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    Re: How much do you earn and in what post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box
    8O Good grief!! In Lancashire a Network manager should (IMHO) earn in a good school around about 20k. Some earn more than this with extra responsability, but 14k per annum? Our technicians are often on more than that!
    ha. the trouble with technician jobs is that the job spec is so generalised that you can end up doing the network admin job but still being paid as a normal technician and its worse if you already got a "network manager"

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    the trouble with technician jobs is that the job spec is so generalised that you can end up doing the network admin job but still being paid as a normal technician
    Surely you would know this before interview? So if the wage for the amount of work is an issue, why apply?

    Also if you think you are being asked to do tasks that are not part of your job, then just say no.

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