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    BSF Handbook

    Chapter 6 is about ICT and they state that ICT Managers are finished... in a round about way...

    http://www.p4s.org.uk/documents/AnIntroductiontoBSF.pdf

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    they state that ICT Managers are finished... in a round about way...
    Can you explaina bit more grommit, i've read it and seem to be missing something.

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    The BSF programme means that ICT in schools becomes a managed service,. This is mandatory and only 'low grade' technicians will be required in school. school NM's are likely to be a thing of the past if each school is set up the same in a given area, the server side/network/hardware/maintenence will be done by the chosen outsource company.

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    This is exactly why I've just went and asked my line manager to investigate this fully for me. The school has no desire to get rid of me, the problem is that it will kinda be out of their control, as the managed system would take over my job and i'd end up TUPE'd away or in a position where my responsibilities suddenly drop (which I do not want, as I simply wouldn't enjoy my job).

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    Toner changer and password setter! That's what we've all got to look forward to! What's not exciting about that localzuk???

    I am of course joking. BSF managed services are bad for all of us.

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    However, I will say that one of our suppliers has mentioned that I'd not have much trouble getting a job there in the future (not mentioning which though :P)...

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk
    This is exactly why I've just went and asked my line manager to investigate this fully for me. The school has no desire to get rid of me, the problem is that it will kinda be out of their control, as the managed system would take over my job and i'd end up TUPE'd away or in a position where my responsibilities suddenly drop (which I do not want, as I simply wouldn't enjoy my job).
    The bottom line is.. A. either the school finds another position for you paid from a different budget or you get TUPED...

    If the school wants to keep you as ICT Manager then they lose the funding.. end of...

    I have heard that a few "we really want you and don't want to lose you" Network managers have had the retoric drop quite a bit when the million or so pounds is dangled in front of the SLT

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    I have heard that a few "we really want you and don't want to lose you" Network managers have had the retoric drop quite a bit when the million or so pounds is dangled in front of the SLT
    We have had this already, at our school. In september it was, "we won't loose you and will pay you out of our own budget." In mid january after the 2 million funding carrot was dangled then it turned to "you'll stay here till BSF take over and then you will be TUPE'd over."

    Fill's you full of confidence with SLT. Trouble is i get the feeling we know far more about the BSF project and procedure than all SLT put together.

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    What about ICT in Academies?

    Academies will be expected to purchase the managed service from the
    local LEP unless there is a strong case for not doing so.
    Just read the above in chapter 6..........interesting. I wondered where academies come into it.

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca925
    What about ICT in Academies?

    Academies will be expected to purchase the managed service from the
    local LEP unless there is a strong case for not doing so.
    Just read the above in chapter 6..........interesting. I wondered where academies come into it.
    Same story... If they want the money they have to be managed....

    I mean what a strong case ?!?! nothing... "we like our network manager" or such like...

    Nope the steamroller rolls and we are getting squashed out of our jobs and there is nothing we can do about it...

    Just the other day I was speaking to an County Education official who said that we have to buy some equiptment for a project from the prefered supplier and that this supplier (RM) had gone through the European Tender Process to get the contract..

    I looked at the RM price list and said I could get the kit cheaper from my own supplier..

    I was told.. nope you HAVE to by from RM because they had won the tender process..

    Now isn't our jobs to save our schools money by finding value for money ? .. yet this just proves that the prefered supplier might rip offf the schools and there will be no-one to query the goods/price/reason.....

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    great - just the kinda news i i wanted to hear with 3 weeks till the baby arrives

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    Re: BSF Handbook and Academies

    I've been sitting in the middle of this process for 3 years now including getting very close for PfS and their ICT team.

    1. The default position for Academies being built and funder under the BSF programme is that their ICT will be provided by whoever the Authority appoints. However, they will have the right to ensure their specific interests, values, specialisms etc. are fully reflected in what the ICT provider is offering. That's why there is specific funding to get in professional consultants to help through this process --- this from the Becta framework.

    2. Academies can opt out of the Authority provision (and some of the consortia Academy sponsors: Ark, Oasis, ULT have the capacity and purchasing clout to do so), and there is a formal process for so doing. But it ain't easy. That's why it's vital academies keep on top of the BSF process in their authority and keep banging their own drum.

    3. Good ICT technicians and managers will never lack for secure and profitable employment. Most are underpaid and undervalued in comparison with what they could earn outside in industry. The service level agreements demanded of the ICT providers under BSF will be so stringent that they will need to engage positively with existing ICT staff, and my observations of these providers recently (can't say where) is that the good ICT technicians and managers should look forward to a rosy future --- with a helluva lot more training, career development and benefits.

    4. And if you don't like RM's price list, tell them exactly what you want, how much you can get it for from your own supplier and demand they deliver. RM are very touchy and vulnerable these days and are 'bending over' to break with past perceived restrictive practices. Good luck!

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    @peterc

    whats your role in all of this? are you a fellow techie or other?

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    I've been a teacher since 1981, spent 10 years in IT to 2003, requalified to teach ICT, and have been an education ICT advisor on lots of these BSF and academy projects since 2004. And meant what I said but network technicians and mangers being undervalued. This BSF process might be the time the glass ceiling is shattered!!

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    Re: BSF Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by peterc
    I've been a teacher since 1981, spent 10 years in IT to 2003, requalified to teach ICT, and have been an education ICT advisor on lots of these BSF and academy projects since 2004. And meant what I said but network technicians and mangers being undervalued. This BSF process might be the time the glass ceiling is shattered!!
    do you mean undervalued by the Education Sector so they can now move to the private sector ?

    As I don't think RM, Captia, RAMESYS or other will pay the Network Managers and give them the control that they have now in the schools..

    Do you have first hand knowledge of Network Manager getting same pay and control under a BSF school?

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