Ratbert: Network Manager
Dogbert: BSF Contract Winner
Pointy Haired Boss [PHB]: Headmaster
Luckily now the Government have seen what a wast of money BSF is that senario will no longer happen.
i find it bizarre although not altogether suprising.....there must be a lot of people who've been convinced over the last 10 years that you really do need to pay three times the cost for stuff for it be of fair value.
BSF was their way out, yes Mr Teacher the reason Jonny is unable to spell his name in year 11 is totally down to the leaky roof and bears no relation to your poor teaching practice.
You need some skilled people but there's scope to share them between schools. I'm not suggesting that the way outsourcing was being done in BSF schools was right (I simply don't know) but I'm certain that you could save money by setting up companies that spread fewer but more skilled people across more schools.
torledo (26th July 2010)
While working in London I developed a good relationship with most of the schools I visited and they were not happy to see me leave. But this reply is not about me: Rather it is more about continuing to support teaching staff who are not always that confident with IT. This support, I feel, should be continuous using the same staff wherever possible. Why force support staff to leave [or feel that they must leave] for the sake of a one-fits-all solution? Remember how everyone reacted to BSF?
We now have a government that doesn't seem to be saying "what should government do; how can we do it for best value" but "what can we cut from spending" and that approach will lead to job losses and will lead to poorer service.
My ideal would be to have good people based in school who want to do IT support for end users; there would then be other people perhaps based in schools, perhaps elsewhere who do the more techy stuff.
Read almost any "behind the read door" thread and you'll see that there are a lot of people on here who do not see the "IT support for end users" as being anything other than a distraction from "their job" They are quite possibly brilliant at doing the techy stutff so let's get them doing that and then get the people who are good at working with end users doing that. Result ought to be much better IT and could be at lower cost.
Finally, the "remember how everyone reacted to BSF" - well, apart from some people on here, lots of people said "wow, new schools, new IT - that's wonderful".
I've said it before - BSF as of itself was a good thing, maybe poorly implemented but investing millions in building modern schools to replace crumbling property makes some sense. Outsourcing ICT as part of BSF never did, at least not to me. I agree theres a lot that can be achieved by sharing resources between schools, especially saving in ICT, but that can be done through local partnerships and doesn't need the ICT dept sold of to Inflexable Computer Services Inc.
Were successive governments, especiall Labour for this, have gone wrong is too much interfering in daily school life. The Conservatives have got it right with their take on Acadamies and 'Free Schools', but why not just make every existing school an Acadamy and be done with it? What's the point in segragating schools further by keeping some state schools as they are, making other Acadamies and then introducing yet another type of school to directly compete with the first two?
Just give schools the money they need and trust them to get on with the job! No need for competing 'Free School' or 'Acadamies' - just state schools that have the power to run their finances and staff as they see fit. Send Ofsted round with a big stick every so often and fire heads/governers/teachers that can't do their job properly.
All this BSF, Free Schools, Acadamies is just wallpapering over the cracks of mad management and local government/central government interfering.
Actually I don't think that the current Government is honest enough to say "what can we cut from spending" and let the public understand what there is behind a statement of that sort.
Don't forget there will be around 700-800 schools that have been rebuilt by the time the BSF program eventually winds up in a couple of years. Meanwhile I am sure that the Government will pay close scrutiny to what happens to results and the running costs in those schools, including outsourced ICT costs.
The Tories gave us PFI in the first place, New Labour embraced it as zealots. The Govt are committed to reducing the public sector so it stands to reason that they will be sympathetic to anything that supports their goals. I don't think school ICT outsourcing is dead & buried yet, especially where LAs have already invested in infrastructure intended to support a lot more schools. When the education cuts start to bite & the LAs are feeling the squeeze ICT outsourcing could be back on the agenda, not only for schools.
Plus ca change... whatver they said, we never had a gov that *did* that e.g. BSF/PFI was/is considerably more expensive (for the sake of that invisibility fiddle) than just borrowing the money and building the school, surely?We now have a government that doesn't seem to be saying "what should government do; how can we do it for best value"
Problem: I work in the world you're imagining and it's pyramid shaped... if you need more than a handful of Brilliant Creatures[tm] up there, then you've done it all wrong (or they're not nearly as brilliant as you think).there are a lot of people on here who do not see the "IT support for end users" as being anything other than a distraction from "their job" They are quite possibly brilliant at doing the techy stutff so let's get them doing that and then get the people who are good at working with end users doing that. Result ought to be much better IT and could be at lower cost.
Just a brief look at some of the threads on 'behind the door' and i do wonder why all parties tolerate the current approach.
Things could easily be managed remotely or within one school with satellite offices in the others. This in a way then provides a career structure / learning progression for I.T. staff / sharing of knowledge / resources within schools. In an ideal world schools should gang together to do this (LEA assistance would be to bureaucratic). To make more money for the big schools primary's could be taken on / invited to join, therefore providing greater scope for career progression / learning etc + primary's get better use of I.T. Of course tho allot of people are scared of change and its easier said than done.
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