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    BSF and Birmingham schools

    Can anyone help with any info about BSF and Birmingham schools?

    I am thinking of looking for a job as a tech in a Birmingham school because it will be easier to commute than where I am based now. My only concern is all the rumours about BSF. I know no one really knows too much about this yet but I just wondered if anyone who works in a B'ham school had heard any thing at all about the prospects of BSF in Birmingham.?

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    Birmingham only recently went out for tender, IIRC its wave 2 so you'll probably still have a job for a couple of years.
    This guys presentation looks mostly a rehash of things becta told us about, It does say that the service will be entirely outsourced (they all do)
    http://www.bgfl.org/bgfl/custom/file...ersDay6-CM.pdf

    Service Birmingham's role
    • Service Birmingham is a JV involving BCC and Capita to
    provide ICT services to the City and drive Business
    Transformation
    • To ensure a “level playing field” -
    – Service Birmingham will not be involved in any bidding
    consortium for BSF
    – Service Birmingham will support the LEP in delivering some
    services retained by the City Council
    – Confidentiality agreements between Service Birmingham
    and BCC prevent SB employees favouring Capita
    – SB will not maintain BSF data rooms for bidders during the
    procurement
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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    It depends on what area you work in - our school is on the end of the list - years away.

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    ours is one of the first 10 or so, 1st phase school, and i know no more than a school 5/6 years away, All i know is its been delayed delayed, put off and delayed. Our hedteacher wants to keep IT support, also wants to keep caretakers etc, so will not agree to contracting out support. Bu theres always a carrot dnagling on the end of that stick which could change here mind, perhaps IT support gets to stay in house we just dont know?

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    Not sure about Birmingham, but elsewhere

    BSF carrot & stick approach seems to be:

    Carrot = £1450 per student investment

    Stick = £0 per student investment

    If that is not enough incentive, there is a 'trump' card....

    Delay ICT managed service decision = delay to BSF funding, for whole LA

    Not many Head Teachers will hold out against these sticks....

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    No middle to long term Future... but after 5 years when the managed Services are finished there might be a future

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    What makes you think it is 5 years?

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca925
    What makes you think it is 5 years?
    Schools have to sign up for a minimum of 5 years managed service according to P4S

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    DfES strategy is managed services. However someone will still have to do the work and if schools IT provision is outsourced TUPE will surely apply. You might end up working for someone else, but hey, that's life.

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    could this be moved into the BSF forum please

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    Re: BSF and Birmingham schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Grommit
    could this be moved into the BSF forum please
    Your wish is my command

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    Birmingham is down to the last two. Redstone & RM. RM is pitching citrix and Redstone terminal services with share point.

    Early next year for ICT hand over I hear.

    Regarding TUPED, I’d like to remind you all that you do have the ‘right’ to object to the process, in other words being ‘TUPED’ into their organisation. One word of warning however, to quote the paper work on the subject :-

    Yes you have the right to object by informing either your school or your new employer. You should note that this mean you will be treated as if you have resigned, not as if you have been dismissed.

    Nice eh?

    On a slightly different note. It does seem that a school could opt out of the ICT section of BSF but keep the new build and money. There is a big BUT however. The school must provide the same service as the third party. This is something I’m looking into. If any one has any information on this, either please post it here, or mail me.

    Ta.

    Oh and the 5 year thing - that is spot on. Here the BIG thing for your heads to remember.

    Right this is the way it got explained to me in a meeting with both redstone and RM. After 5 year of the schools paying a truly huge sum of money the contract ends, if you want to stay with the company a renegotionation will have to take place. (I’m sure this means they will charge what ever they like) Because if you don’t sign with them – it’s no problem they’ll pull the plug. Remember all the schools servers are elsewhere. So if they pull the plug – bye bye network. You’ll be left 5 years later with nothing, and not a lot of money to do anything about it.

    This is how I understand it from a meeting with the main boys on the subject. I must point out I might be wrong about this, but. Really I don’t see how. The question was asked time and time again. If we don’t renew what would we be left with – apart from a 5 year old building and thin clients everywhere, answer none of the managed services. Like the servers and network? Answer yes.

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    ok, so let me get this right.. in the next 5 years i may be out of a job due to BSF?

    There going to take all of the servers away and host them offsite. So all the money that has been spent over the past 2 years on ICT was a waste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamin100 View Post
    ok, so let me get this right.. in the next 5 years i may be out of a job due to BSF?

    There going to take all of the servers away and host them offsite. So all the money that has been spent over the past 2 years on ICT was a waste?
    It hasn't been wasted as your current pupils have had the use of them. I also think, though someone can correct me on this, that the value of your old equipment is taken into account when calculating what you'll get in the new school/refurbishment (delete as appropriate).

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    i am absolutelly shocked by this, was not even aware of it.
    Just spoken about it to SLT, they say as we are a self governed school we do not have to go with it.

    First the news about single status, now this, i am going complete my mcse and then review what my next step will be. I simply like many of you cannot afford to not know where we stand and with a mortgage, etc. Not comfortable at all with all this.

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