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    Even if your school did want to keep you on under their own employment, its debatable as to how much use you would actually be. You certainly would have domain admin rights and most likely not even local admin rights on any of the computers. You would just have a bog standard user account. Plus you wouldnt be able to make any changes of config to hardware or software without the say so of the Managed Service Provider.

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    "If you don't want to work for the new employer
    You can refuse to work for the new employer. You must let your current or prospective employer know that you object to the transfer. You'll be regarded as having resigned and will have no right to claim unfair dismissal or to a redundancy payment."

    this is getting a joke so after 2 years working with this school i would be restricted into what i can do im sure the smt would object too this. i feel like a fly on a web. i really cant see how they have the power to turn round and say that. im sure that only means that i dont want to work for bsf and not the school ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_lane View Post
    "If you don't want to work for the new employer
    You can refuse to work for the new employer. You must let your current or prospective employer know that you object to the transfer. You'll be regarded as having resigned and will have no right to claim unfair dismissal or to a redundancy payment."

    this is getting a joke so after 2 years working with this school i would be restricted into what i can do im sure the smt would object too this. i feel like a fly on a web. i really cant see how they have the power to turn round and say that. im sure that only means that i dont want to work for bsf and not the school ?
    That's the thing with BSF. It is outsourcing, ie. selling off a function within the business. As part of the process, you get sold too.

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    oh eck

    a simple reply - BUM

    i'll have to see then, i wont resign tho, but if i am put out of a job so long as i dont officially resign I am ok about it. I am not working for a large ict company, no way.
    So i will have to scream and shout, and wail, and make sure everyone know what has been done to loyal workers within school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_lane View Post
    this is getting a joke so after 2 years working with this school i would be restricted into what i can do im sure the smt would object too this. i feel like a fly on a web.
    Yep - it's rubbish.

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    im sure that only means that i dont want to work for bsf and not the school ?
    No - if you don't want to transfer as your current role then you are effectively resigning. If the school said you're a great guy and we'd like you to work for us in a different role (Teachning assistant say) then that is do-able.

    It is as rubbish as it seems!

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    i've just spoken to our finance manager and said that basiclly if it doesnt help the school as in our service level then we arnt going for it and im sure they dont want to be waiting 4 hours for a 3-rd party tech to come out and try and sort a problem out and then say "i dont know what im doing i need to esculate this". not a good answer. and its not fair on people who have familes and actually like their job if i didnt then i most prob be all for it

    yea i got the if you want to become a TA then thats fine talk. i was think yea i will teach your kids on how to build a server..etc etc
    Last edited by kevin_lane; 14th July 2008 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_lane View Post
    i've just spoken to our finance manager and said that basiclly if it doesnt help the school as in our service level then we arnt going for it and im sure they dont want to be waiting 4 hours for a 3-rd party tech to come out and try and sort a problem out and then say "i dont know what im doing i need to esculate this". not a good answer. and its not fair on people who have familes and actually like their job if i didnt then i most prob be all for it

    yea i got the if you want to become a TA then thats fine talk. i was think yea i will teach your kids on how to build a server..etc etc
    When your finance manager realises that turning down the managed service will deny the school £1m+ ICT investment (£1450 per student) they may have a change of heart; many do

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    That's the thing with BSF. It is outsourcing, ie. selling off a function within the business. As part of the process, you get sold too.
    I'm with Sepp Blatter and Ronaldo on this, we're nothing but slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerste View Post
    a simple reply - BUM

    i'll have to see then, i wont resign tho, but if i am put out of a job so long as i dont officially resign I am ok about it. I am not working for a large ict company, no way.
    So i will have to scream and shout, and wail, and make sure everyone know what has been done to loyal workers within school.

    Once the big money and masses of new kit is dangled in front of the Head loyality will mean nothing..

    I have seen it at schools here ... once the process starts the Heads are all "They'll never take you as you are one of us and we are family" etc... "how dare they" etc... but then once all the other schools are sucked in and the Heads see the millions of pounds they stand to lose if they do not sell you then their tune changes to... "well we can't stop progress" and "you'll have to deal with it" ..

    So if you stay at the school you will not be allowed to touch any ICT Kit... plus there is a good chance that all your servers will be off site in a server farm.. so you won't have an ICT job..

    If you TUPE just hope it isn't to RM as they are reducing school ICT staff in Hackney...

    and if you do TUPE you then do not take instructions from the school only from the new Mother Ship telling you where to replace mice and change toner as you most likely will not be allowed any where near servers..

    As I have said before this is the destruction of thr In-House ICT Support Community in schools

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_lane View Post
    i've just spoken to our finance manager and said that basiclly if it doesnt help the school as in our service level then we arnt going for it and im sure they dont want to be waiting 4 hours for a 3-rd party tech to come out and try and sort a problem out and then say "i dont know what im doing i need to esculate this". not a good answer. and its not fair on people who have familes and actually like their job if i didnt then i most prob be all for it

    yea i got the if you want to become a TA then thats fine talk. i was think yea i will teach your kids on how to build a server..etc etc
    I don't thinkyou undestand.. you cannot choose... if you refurbish any buildings under BSF you have to take Managed Services or you lose all the money..

    You as a technician have no worries as you will still have a job ... it's the Network Managers that have problems..

    RM BSF Blurb..

    http://www.rm.com/bsf/Generic.asp?cref=GP343439

    RM Drones... were the hap hap happy people

    http://www.rm.com/BSF/CaseStudies/Ar...f=MCASE1219474

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    “Once the big money and masses of new kit is dangled in front of the Head loyality will mean nothing..”
    Surly that depends on the head. What if you’re a smaller school so instead of millions you’re talking 100k? If you already have relatively new shiny kit perhaps the head will stand up and say no managed service.

    There has to be some heads out there that care more about IT in-house and staff over shiny new kit and a managed service.

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    The funding is £1450 per student, so a really small school might go along with it, but most secondary schools affected by BSF are at least 600+ students so you are talking BIG numbers here.

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    It would work out as less than £1m for our school, in terms of IT but we already have excellent IT in the school due to a serious amount of investment over the last couple of years. But we are in need of various buildings really.

    So, I don't think loyalty will hold up in the end, when BSF gets down to us.

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    Unison and the NUT are striking tommorrow at Haywood and Withins schools in protest that their employment will be transfered from the Local Authority to a private employer. This is because of the intention to change them into
    Academies.

    Strike against Bolton academy|12Jul08|Socialist Worker

    It's the first time apparently that Unison has done this in protest to a change in employer, and I think it's a protest that could be used as relevantly in a BSF situation.

    I can't believe it's true, but I love the cheek of the sponsors of one school to turn around the entrance of the school so it faces a better catchment area.

    Socialist Students: Teachers & school students fight academy plans

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    You also have to remember that the BSF ICT 'model' adopted by your LA & schools could turn your entire ICT provision 'on its head';

    at my school they are talking about giving every child a 'computer'; they plan upon eliminating ICT rooms too. This means that all of the desktop PCs and most of our laptops will be scrapped, to be replaced with something like wireless connected EeePCs for example.

    Also, the BSF ICT funds have to be used to cover a lot of other costs apart from the obvious computers, things like IWB/projectors, printers, copiers, IP phone systems etc etc so it gets spread quite thinly.

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