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BSF Thread, Anyone been tuped? in United Kingdom (UK) Specific Forums; Originally Posted by CyberNerd It's not part of your job. and certainly won't be when RM have you. Exactly the ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    It's not part of your job. and certainly won't be when RM have you.
    Exactly the point I was making. I would argue it is part of my job and comes under the "any other duties" bit.

    Think if it gets to that stage I'll be off. Mind you I think we're in about wave 11 or something so the wheels could have come off it by then and the government may realise what is being thrown away!

    Anyone know of a well paid job in the independant school sector?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcollings View Post
    Exactly the point I was making. I would argue it is part of my job and comes under the "any other duties" bit.
    This was the point I wrongly tried to make earlier in the thread. Unfortunately Tupe only applies to certain aspects of your role. It doesn't cover the job description, hence they can change the job (almost) entirely as long as they don't change the terms and conditions (salary, how much holiday, pension etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    That's the thing, many tech jobs *do* have those things included. For example, my job description includes 'maintaining the school website'.
    Yes and so did mine, but I'm also now responsible for the VLE, and I'm trying to renegotiate my job description to take this into account. It's what we call spec creep, and it's these small (ok, running a VLE isn't small) incursions into what we originally signed up for, plus the ethos we apply to working in a school, a sort of 'can do' attitude which sets us techies apart from those in the private sector. Not better or worse than, just different. The managed service companies, to a greater extent, are aiming to align us with the private sector business model. They need to control their assets and ensure they get a long life from them, and if in the case of RM it means sending tuped technicians on a 3 day course then so be it. We shouldn't be surprised at all this; these companies' specialism may be education, but they still have to turn over a profit to remain viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grommit View Post
    Are you saying that under RM Managed Services you just go grab a keyboard if needed and there is no instructions from the RM Mothership authorising it ?
    You do not need permission to replace a keyboard. End of discussion.

    As for "extra curricular activities" I used to help out with lighting etc at my old school but will not be at my new one. Its unfortunate but the pay rise makes up for this. RM will do what they can to allow these types of activities but it all comes down to what service agreements are arranged.

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    Do you have an endless supply of keyboards? Were these keyboards there before RM took over and you're simply using common sense in replacing them? I'm simply trying to determine some facts here.
    Last edited by beeswax; 23rd June 2008 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Worried that member may think I'm having a go at him.

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    Can you change keyboards if they are dirty?
    how do you decide when they are dirty enough to change, or do you clean them?

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    I have never replaced a keyboard because it was dirty in any job I have done. If a keyboard is broke you replace it and then fix the old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeswax View Post
    Do you have an endless supply of keyboards? Were these keyboards there before RM took over and you're simply using common sense in replacing them? I'm simply trying to determine some facts here.
    I do not know where these keyboards have come from as I was not at the school before BSF. As far as I am aware every setup is different but one thing in common is that they are all geared to eliminate downtime. It is common sense to ensure that you have spare keyboards to ensure that broken ones can be replaced. There is no magic formula. We have some keyboards in a store room, when these get used the school buys some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngreenwood View Post
    We have some keyboards in a store room, when these get used the school buys some more.
    might just be me nitpicking, but i thought that with BSF the school had no control in its purchasing of IT equipment? That's what I've been led to believe anyway

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    I once had the option to be tuped and decided to go native for the company that was taking over.

    I do not regret that decision as it worked out well for me.

    What I can say is that once a managed takes over having stupid infinite loop debates about who does what and when almost become the norm.

    A two tier organisation starts emerge as well which is the tuped and non tuped.

    As I have stated in previous posts I have yet to see a good example of managed services where the staff are happier and the customers are happier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngreenwood View Post
    I do not know where these keyboards have come from as I was not at the school before BSF. As far as I am aware every setup is different but one thing in common is that they are all geared to eliminate downtime. It is common sense to ensure that you have spare keyboards to ensure that broken ones can be replaced. There is no magic formula. We have some keyboards in a store room, when these get used the school buys some more.
    Just a coulple of questions:

    You say that keyboards can be replaced but does the school get invoiced for it? i.e. keyboard vandalised for vandalism, cost of keyboard = £10, Service charge = £5

    Also when you say the school can buy more do they have any say in where they buy them from or must it be RM?

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    I think the keyboard replacement debate is only the tip of the iceberg... desktop keyboards & mice are cheap & almost consumable items. What about more expensive damage?

    We are being told the goal is for every child to have or have access to a 'portable' device when we become a BSF school in a few years time. What happens when these break?

    Right now we have a supply of 'broken' donor laptop keyboards that are used to provide replacement keys for others that get pulled off. Quite often the machines are 'down' for a very short time while one of our technicians replaces a key. We also keep a few new keyboards just in case. When we have to replace a keyboard we charge it to the subject department who own the laptop, but we always try to repair first as we are in the business of getting the most out of the school budget.

    Presumably in a managed service environment where there are no onsite facilities for repairing equipment the machine would have to be taken out of service & sent off for repair? Will the school carry spare machines to be issued as replacements? Who pays for the damage if it was deliberate? Will the keyboard be replaced or repaired I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_K_81 View Post
    Just a coulple of questions:

    You say that keyboards can be replaced but does the school get invoiced for it? i.e. keyboard vandalised for vandalism, cost of keyboard = £10, Service charge = £5

    Also when you say the school can buy more do they have any say in where they buy them from or must it be RM?
    No, as far as I am aware the keyboards are owned by the school and the service is part of the already agreed service agreement. With regards to the second question I am not sure, althought our current stock of keyboards are not RM branded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    I'm afraid Tupe doesn't apply to schools merging because it is the same employer. The local authorities employment stability policy will apply, probably the posts are made redundant. The new posts are ring-fenced for the 'at-risk' staff (competitive interview).
    The job evaluation that L.Kay was referring to was a separate process, no guarantee you won't be shafted though..
    Thanks for the info, but I have some more questions if you (or anyone else) can help?
    1) How can I be sure that their employment stability policy has been adhered to, and is lawful?
    2) I was told that the grade was lowered because Job evaluation had indicated it would be lowered anyway in a few months' time. In fact this did not happen. I have been told they were not allowed to use that justification, but the fact is, they did.
    3) Is there anything I can do?

    TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    What's to stop you in the future though? If you know the staff and are happy to do it can you not just carry on and do it in a personal capacity? Or would RM take a dim view that it would interfere with your work?

    Although I have to say I am not favour of being TUPE'd. I left my last job because we were due to be TUPE'd. :-(
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    I seriously doubt is RM would allow him to take a week off looking after kids on a school trip..

    He will be just a drone and just have to change the toner for that week

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