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BSF Thread, BSF Wave 6 - How long until I get the chop? in United Kingdom (UK) Specific Forums; Originally Posted by Heebeejeebee I had heard that if a school wanted the benefit of a re-build/refurbishment then they have ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heebeejeebee View Post
    I had heard that if a school wanted the benefit of a re-build/refurbishment then they have to take the managed service. Has anyone seen anything official about this? No matter how hard I google I can find nothing much to say about the ins and outs of BSF - only how 'good' it'll be for everyone. The Partnership for Schools website is full of dead links and our LA has nothing about it on their website at all despite wave 6 having already started.

    How does BSF apply to school that are not so tied in with the LA (Trust schools, foundation schools etc)?

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    Strictly speaking, schools are under no obligation to accept the managed ICT service. Electing not to take the service will result in the school losing capital ICT investment of around 1450 per student unless they can prepare & win a business case to bid for the money directly. Unfortunately Partnership for Schools has made it very,very difficult for schools (or 'in-house' LA bids) to succeed and most schools won't even try. Schools thinking of opting out will be under a lot of pressure from their LAs & Partnership for Schools as it will undermine the size & scope of the managed ICT service making it less attractive for potential bidders so it will take a seriously determined HT supported by the Governors to defend any decision to opt-out and lose the investment.

    Trust & foundation schools (as well as LA schools) that are well funded and can afford to lose 1m+ ICT investment can choose to do without BSF ICT funding if they wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    Strictly speaking, schools are under no obligation to accept the managed ICT service. Electing not to take the service will result in the school losing capital ICT investment of around 1450 per student unless they can prepare & win a business case to bid for the money directly. Unfortunately Partnership for Schools has made it very,very difficult for schools (or 'in-house' LA bids) to succeed and most schools won't even try. Schools thinking of opting out will be under a lot of pressure from their LAs & Partnership for Schools as it will undermine the size & scope of the managed ICT service making it less attractive for potential bidders so it will take a seriously determined HT supported by the Governors to defend any decision to opt-out and lose the investment.

    Trust & foundation schools (as well as LA schools) that are well funded and can afford to lose 1m+ ICT investment can choose to do without BSF ICT funding if they wish.
    Yeah - that's what I figured. We're boned!

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    Trust and foundation schools are actually still funded b the LA and the money they presently use for IT and so on is actually devolved from by the LA to schools. One of many reasons why LAs tend to do chunks of top-slicing already, to gain greater control when you have a number of schools that are rather 'independent' of the LA (typically these are the former GM schools).

    The schools that are outside of this are Academies (unless the BSF project is specifically looking at Academies) and where funding is also from another source (eg the church). Even these are having limited say in things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    The schools that are outside of this are Academies (unless the BSF project is specifically looking at Academies) and where funding is also from another source (eg the church). Even these are having limited say in things.

    Even though Academies are outside of BSF as Grumbledook has pointed out, a number of LAs who were previously totally resistant to the idea of Academies have been 'persuaded' by central government to go down the Academy route as a means of 'enabling' their BSF funding.

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    Unhappy its such a shame

    what i don't think people are 'getting' about BSF is that when you have an outside company running ICT in a school, the school has 'to fit the ICT' and not the other way around, as it is now with in house techies.

    it really makes me sick, instead of pumping loads of money into ict why dont the government just re-intstate discipline into schools, then NONE would be failing.

    IF it ain't broke don't fix it, schools have gone down hill since they removed discipline, and now they are messing with school support, so ict, etc will go down the pan too.


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    BSF is *not* just about IT and ICT ... it really isn't. It is being used as a convenient shoe-horn to address a number of problems at once, IT and ICT being just two of them.

    So far most contracts have been won by a company to provide what the contract says ... the contract is drawn up by the LEPs / LAs and if your school wants a say in it then get in there now!

    Unfortunately we have good evidence that even when a school gets involved and has a good amount of input, the communication of it all breaks down, again at the LA end rather than the school or contractor.

    There are lots of schools out there that already have managed services in one form or another ... whether it is a preferred company that does all their cabling, CCTV, thin clients ... I have said that this is a poor arguement before, and I will say it again.

    If you are determined to fight this and not take part in it at all then the common arguements of 'we know best', 'the school won't know what to do without us', 'there will be no tech support on site and you have to ring [foreign country]', 'Teachers will have to do everything themselves' ... this is FUD.

    If you are going to put together an arguement you *have* to put in how you make a difference to the school ... the innovations you have put in place have helped dept x raise their results by z amount, your role in gaining ICT Mark, how well you meet and go beyond the Technical and Functional Specifications for IT infrastructre, show a good model for sustainability for IT over 5 years, how you have implemented FITS (or even ITIL v3!) ... these are your targets ... this is what the Govt has been looking for for the last few years and too few schools have been getting there.

    Even if you do all of the above ... unless you have the support and understanding of your senior leaders ... unless they are on board to what you do ... then yes, the managed service company will come in and tell the school what it is getting and how it will run.

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