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    A shame it's just a Government reaction to cost issues and not a realisation there are inherent problem with the one size fits all approach.

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    Don't believe everything you read in newspapers!

    If you read the 'official' announcement, it has a slightly different flavour to the story........


    BUILDING SCHOOLS FOR THE FUTURE TO BE ACCELERATED AND STREAMLINED UNDER NEW PROPOSALS


    News Centre : Department for Children, Schools and Families

    There is nothing to suggest that waves 1-6 will be doing anything different, & local authorities could collaborate with others to form LEPs & managed services.
    Last edited by broc; 10th April 2008 at 04:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    Don't believe everything you read in newspapers!

    If you read the 'official' announcement, it has a slightly different flavour to the story........


    BUILDING SCHOOLS FOR THE FUTURE TO BE ACCELERATED AND STREAMLINED UNDER NEW PROPOSALS


    News Centre : Department for Children, Schools and Families

    There is nothing to suggest that waves 1-6 will be doing anything different, & local authorities could collaborate with others to form LEPs & managed services.
    Heh. You just have to turn on your bulls**t decoder to see that it means they wish to rush through some building in all areas before the next election, so it looks like the process wasn't a disaster from start to err... random middle bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Dilapidated buildings, poor facilities, no room for expansion (the only way a school can actually get more money is by getting more student through the doors!) ...
    I don't think anyone was complaining about dilapidated buildings being replaced, of course they need to get rebuilt. In any case, the government now target the ones that don't get good GCSE's, not necessarily the ones that need a physical rebuild.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Yes ... forget the fact that this scraps managed services for IT ... face up to the fact that the money to support education in general is just not there anymore!
    The money isn't there because it is being topsliced for projects like BSF, and centralised VLE's. The VLE's are case in point because many schools have had VLE's in place for many years and are widely used. The local authorities then spend money to replace these systems with approved systems that do not meet the functionality that the school has become accustomed to.

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    Despite this news, it does mean that for some, BSF will now come round a lot quicker

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    I could honestly rant all day about how this will screw up more schools than having IT Managed services ... schools that need the rebuild above all else ...

    But what's the point. I would only be accused of wanting BSF at the expense if IT in schools.

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    When you say many schools, try not to forget all those primaries out there with little or no support. Don't forget that LAs have to look after them too.

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    GumbleDook - the thing is, BSF is not a magic wand. It will not suddenly improve schools just by giving them new buildings. What needed to happen was a general increase in funding. Stopping BSF is a start to the government changing their policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    When you say many schools, try not to forget all those primaries out there with little or no support. Don't forget that LAs have to look after them too.
    Yeah, we've been given a primary school VLE. Uniservity - it sucks so much our LEA advisers (who bought it) told us to continue with moodle.
    Schools that have provided a decent level of ICT are having funding topsliced. Over time all schools get an equally poor service to the extent that BSF ICT outsourcing actually looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICT_GUY View Post
    I got hit by a Skoda the other day, hell of a mess, Jam and Icing all over the place, tasted nice though.
    I'm sorry, I'm either being totally thick or my aspergers is stopping me from getting this joke. Is a Skoda a cake?

    I thought it was just a p@nts car?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    GumbleDook - the thing is, BSF is not a magic wand. It will not suddenly improve schools just by giving them new buildings. What needed to happen was a general increase in funding. Stopping BSF is a start to the government changing their policies.
    How would you propose that schools that need new building actually get them?

    And schools do need new building or refurbishments.

    [edit]

    I'll expand on this a little.

    A new building is not a magic wand. It removes one of the largest barriers to change in a school, environment. If you cannot change the environment what would you change instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post



    Eh? I thought that was a real car in that advert & that was the way they made them in real life.......

    :-)

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    Listen - can you hear the silence? The kerchinggg of the RM, et al cash registers has stopped....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tech_guy View Post
    Listen - can you hear the silence? The kerchinggg of the RM, et al cash registers has stopped....
    Sell your shares russ, quick.

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    They've taken a look at how much the NHS IT overhaul has cost (and is still nowhere near completion) which was undertaken by 'experienced' companies and have got the fear to coin a phrase. Someone probably pointed out that a smaller phased approach would be much better and doesn’t' run the risk of undoing lots of good work that many schools have already done.

    The one size fits all approach was never going to work but it take a brave person to go against the suggestions of a large IT outfit we're talking big money.
    Last edited by cookie_monster; 10th April 2008 at 09:08 PM.



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