BSF Thread, Foundation Schools in United Kingdom (UK) Specific Forums; I have just returned from a governor's meeting at the large local comp. The head had been to his first ...
19th March 2008, 10:29 PM #1
I have just returned from a governor's meeting at the large local comp. The head had been to his first BSF consultation meeting and he felt that there wasn't much in it for us as we are very up together - it would help schools that needed it but not us.
I tried to warn him about the IT outsourcing but he was very very dismissive of me and basically said that he could opt out anyway so that wasn't going to happen.
I was left to look a bit of a fool, actually
Does anyone know if foundation status does mean we can opt out of some of the BSF provision?
Or, if not, where can I find REAL facts and figures to back me up?
The only way he will listen is if I can give him solid, traceable info to prove my case.
19th March 2008, 10:39 PM #2
I'd love to know the answer to this too witch. I've just become a governor at a local secondary and have been asked to observe ICT as the other governors are "all scared of it".
I've got a feeling I might be having to do some major work on this when our turn comes.
19th March 2008, 11:02 PM #3
Foundation, or as they were first known, grant maintained, schools can't opt out of BSF, unless something has changed very recently.
19th March 2008, 11:10 PM #4
But I think trust schools can opt out of it but don't quote me on that.
19th March 2008, 11:23 PM #5
(Sorry I quoted you )
Originally Posted by russdev
This would be the greatest news if true, we are becoming a trust on 1st June this year.
19th March 2008, 11:31 PM #6
Trust schools are not an exception according to DCSF. The only alternative scheme is the Academies network, and even then that can be tied in with BSF too to gain additional funding at the same time as becoming an academy.
Thanks to GrumbleDook from:
elsiegee40 (20th March 2008)
20th March 2008, 09:01 AM #7
Please, I STILL need some concrete proof that foundation schools cannot opt out as they are convinced that they can and VERY complacent about it.
They will not listen to me and so I really need some help here.
You should have seen them at the meeting - I tried to explain how things might go - especially in the light of the recent ICT award that particularly mentioned the brilliant IT support within the school - but I was basically heard out in stony silence and then the meeting moved swiftly on to some other thing like car parking!
20th March 2008, 09:17 AM #8
THe above linked document from the DCSF *is* the concrete proof.
20th March 2008, 10:01 AM #9
Hope this helps
What is the situation with regards to Trust schools and BSF?
As local authority maintained schools, Trust schools will remain part of the BSF programme - which focuses on the needs of schools and their pupils rather than on type of school - and must be fully included in their authority’s BSF educational vision and investment project.
20th March 2008, 10:10 AM #10
Oh * substitute word *!
I wonder if there's any chance of this scheme dying before it gets to our cluster...
20th March 2008, 10:15 AM #11
Even if we had a change of Govt today and it was Tory or Lib Dems ... the scheme would still go ahead for at least until wave 6, possibly to wave 8.
20th March 2008, 10:42 AM #12
I think that the head still believes that he can choose not to be involved with BSF. It is complicated here by the fact that we are also in a LA which is in the process of changing from moving schools at 12 back to 11, except that we are the only pyramid in the LA which changes at 13 -so there are all sorts of issues there as well.
And thanks, MarkWatkins, there was no need to be rude - I can read
But the document also says this:
"A Trust school is defined for the purposes of this document as a foundation school with a foundation acquired under the provisions of the Education and Inspections Bill 2006"
Which surely relates to the *new* type of trust school, with external partners, not the old type of foundation school, which we are.
So where does that leave us??
I'm sorry to be picky but I know that they will pick up on this and say 'look, we can opt out' but if we are not that sort of foundation/trust school I don't think we can
Last edited by witch; 20th March 2008 at 10:53 AM.
21st March 2008, 10:51 PM #13
You've probably found this yourself, but there is an organisation call Foundation & Aided Schools National Association, with a website www.fasna.co.uk. Governors can become members, but haven't looked at it in great detail. They also have a contact us email link. Maybe they can help??
24th February 2010, 09:24 PM #14
Did anyone get to the bottom of all the small print and clauses out the foundation status?
I'm trying to work out if a school adopts this scheme are they forced to adopt the BSF rules and take on the out sourced ICT procedures?
From what I could see if a school opted for foundation they did not need to apply the BSF rules unless that school asked for govenernment/LEA for funding to develop & improve the buildings.
Can anyone shed any light on all these complications or has anyone already gone through this and can offer help & suggestions.
26th February 2010, 09:40 AM #15
My experience is that you and your head are both right.
Here though the LA has signed up full for BSF and all the schools are involved they can only do this with the agreement of the schools governors as it is them that pay the on going annual fee for the service.
However the pressure to sign up is massive from the LA and PFS in our case probably would have pulled the plug had one or two schools dropped out. You also can't get the capital money for refresh without a managed service and ultimately who is going to turn down a large check to get their school buildings fixed.
This leads to politics with school trying to get the best deal and LA using incentives to get them to sign
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