BSF Thread, ICT Teachers finally find out what BSF means in United Kingdom (UK) Specific Forums; Originally Posted by ashok
Apologies if this already covered, but could it not be possible to excude the ...
18th February 2008, 06:48 PM #61
Any LA (or individual school) can choose to leave ICT outside of the BSF contract if they wish, as long as they don't want the BSF capital funding for ICT. At approx £1450 per student, this can amount to many millions per LA, typically £1m+ for each medium sized secondary school. In reality few LAs (or schools) will leave it out. If they want the BSF ICT funding, they have to work within the framework laid down by Partnership for Schools, and a key element of this is managed ICT services.
Originally Posted by ashok
There is growing evidence to suggest that LAs can have a major part to play in the delivery of the managed service if they have the resources & willpower to convince PfS they can deliver. In this respect they will be treated as any other commercial organisation.
18th February 2008, 08:09 PM #62
Barnsley council who, formed a joint venture company with Bull Information Systems for all their ICT, have put in place measures to allow their current provider to enter the bidding process:
18th February 2008, 09:12 PM #63
Woo, I get top billing! Thankee
Originally Posted by webman
18th February 2008, 09:29 PM #64
I prefer simplicity - B*ggering Schools for the Future
Originally Posted by Gatt
Not that imaginative, yet conveys the essence effectively.
Yup - Money talks, by refusing to give the funding if schools don't want a managed service, they're basically blackmailing the Head to give in.
I wonder how long it will be before the gov takes all management out of a school and has it all centrally controlled so no decisions can be made by those who actually know what the school needs... that'd also save money paying the management salaries.
18th February 2008, 11:17 PM #65
Cnsidering the number of times it has been the Head that has failed to use money allocated for IT for that purpose, or who have run rough-shod over Bursars / Business Managers when it comes to sustainability ... people wonder why Govt don't trust schools with money?
Originally Posted by Diello
If there were more standards in place (FMSiS is a start) thing might have been better.
18th February 2008, 11:44 PM #66
- Rep Power
Originally Posted by GrumbleDook
19th February 2008, 03:49 PM #67
Hmm, seeing that the Barnsley ICT team had already been tuped into the new Venture Company that does the area's ICT and Bull I.S own 80% of the subsequent company compared to Barnsley Council's 20% it's not quite the same thing.
Originally Posted by steve
In effect it's a separate company already that sells services to schools that now has to be putting in a bid for the BSF contract, otherwise I imagine it will lose a lot of it's existing client base?
19th February 2008, 07:29 PM #68
Its in both Bull and Barnsley councils interest to put a bid in as they would loose out on the revenue from the venture company, and also if they loose the contract for schools they'll probably have to loose staff - no tuping I'll bet from the venture company to the BSF company.
Originally Posted by conehead
It does go to show where there is a willingness to keep the current provider a part of the bidding process, there are options open.
This does imply the ICT bidder doesn't have to be part of the main BSF bid - I'm sure I've read this somewhere but will have to read up on it again.
Last edited by steve; 19th February 2008 at 07:31 PM.
20th February 2008, 09:35 AM #69
My understanding on this is that any potential ICT supplier must be part of a 'consortium' bidding for the whole BSF business. I don't think PfS will allow ICT to be de-coupled. Successful bidders will form a partnership with the LA (LEP).
Originally Posted by steve
Making it an 'all in one' bid can result in a solution which has the best building proposals with the worst ICT solution & vice versa. This is why the ICT Draft output specification is so vital in the bidding process as in theory it should ensure all ICT solutions proposed are up to a minimum standard acceptable to the schools.
20th February 2008, 07:09 PM #70
Yep, you're right, I must have dreamt (nightmared) it. Read it here on teachernet
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