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    Question BSF ?

    Can someone please explain BSF ?

    This isn't posted in FFS lol but I'm personally interested in the good & bad.

    Thanks

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    Have you looked here yet?

    EDIT: Ignore, the post has been moved.
    Last edited by K.C.Leblanc; 10th February 2008 at 07:26 PM.

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    Thank you !

    That's me set for the day !! off the top of my head though .. is it possible to opt out of the BSF ICT Contract ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthierhyme View Post
    Thank you !

    That's me set for the day !! off the top of my head though .. is it possible to opt out of the BSF ICT Contract ?
    If you're a fee paying school.

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    I am stunned.

    How on earth could decisions be made with such short sightedness.

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    For the 'official' view look at

    http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/managem...dbuilding/bsf/

    Then look at the Edugeek forum, and than ask any questions you might have.

    Some snippets of information for you to get you started .....

    Right now, there are not many schools that have completed the BSF transformation so there is not much practical experience of what it means to ICT staff in particular.

    Schools wishing to benefit from BSF ICT Capital funding are obliged to sign up to a managed ICT service. Schools can elect to opt out of the managed service but in doing so lose approx £1450 per student capital investment in ICT. I don't think many schools have indicated they will opt out so far. Schools who elect to take the BSF ICT investment must pay an amount per year per student for the duration of the service contract (typically 5-10 years). This amount is likely to be in the range of £80-£150 per student per year.

    School ICT staff will be transferred to the managed service provider and will cease to be school employees. In some cases, they will remain as local authority employees but for many they will become employees of private profit making companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthierhyme View Post
    I am stunned.

    How on earth could decisions be made with such short sightedness.
    we don't know mate... it seems the govenment decided to listen to shorsighted ICT Consultant Bean Counters and BECTA and decided to destroy the ICT Support Community in English Secondary Schools .. in belief that paying double for less support is a good thing..
    Last edited by Grommit; 11th February 2008 at 02:47 AM.

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    Broc thankyou.

    I have mulled around on this all day .. firstly, amazed that xx years of (almost) 24/7 browsing hasn't thrown an inkling of it to light !!

    and constant surprise at those working to benefit their area can consider & implement tying schools up in this way, financial incentives are one thing .. economic innovation, individuality, community productivty & much more is a very small part of another !

    What's being done to help give Heads/Govenors/interested parties a viable choice in all of this ?

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    Head Teachers & Governors have limited choices open to them, I used to be a Chair of Governors at a secondary school facing BSF until I resigned.

    Local Authorities wishing to participate in BSF must work under the direction of an organisation called Partnership for Schools, an organisation funded partly by HM Treasury and partly by major UK Financial institutions.
    P4S will oversee the LA as they prepare documentation laying out the requirements; schools have some say in this process but the specification is drawn up by the LA. Managed services is a mandatory part of the BSF process to fully benefit from whatever funding is promised.
    The LA then has to seek potential bidders (Typically a consortium of construction companies, finance companies, educationalist consultancies and ICT suppliers) and go through a lengthy process of selection of drawing up a long list, short list & preferred bidder during which time the proposals are presented to the LA and schools.

    It is perfectly possible for the winning bidder to have the most innovative building proposal but least attractive ICT solution, the LA cannot pick & choose.

    Schools are asked to come up with their vision for their new school; this is then gradually shaped (eroded) by the financial constraints imposed by the avaiable budget & BB98, a formula driven methodology which determines the size of a new school based largely upon no. students who will be attending the school when it opens after rebuilding.

    Schools are asked to sign up to the principle of managed services by the LA, often this commitment is made before the school has a clear idea of what they will be getting & what it will cost.

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    What about foundation secondary schools? Does BSF affect those in the same way too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKGB View Post
    What about foundation secondary schools? Does BSF affect those in the same way too?
    If you're referring to what used to be known as "Grant Maintained", then yes, BSF applies to those schools too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKGB View Post
    What about foundation secondary schools? Does BSF affect those in the same way too?
    Yes it does......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthierhyme View Post
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    What's being done to help give Heads/Govenors/interested parties a viable choice in all of this ?
    They have no choice apart from opting out... and no school Head will face the backlash of losing over a million pounds in ICT

    There was a time in the beginning where they were able to opt out but the P4S and BSF closed the loophole..

    Remember also that only the first year of the Managed Service is paid for by the BSF.. the rest of the 5 year contract is paid for by the school out of school funds and this will be over a £100,000 per year for a medium sized school..

    Plus all further ICT Equipment must be bought through the Managed Service Company for the duration of the contract.... so if they overcharge you for the new laptops you want you can't go else where..

    Plus there will be no Network Manager to protect the School as the Managed Service Companys function first and foremost is to make a profit for it's shareholders (that's why it is in business)..

    where as a Network Managers function is to protect the school...

    Just think of the BSF ICT as The Borg..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grommit View Post
    P4S and BSF closed the loophole..
    How is that legally possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grommit View Post

    Just think of the BSF ICT as The Borg..
    And that sums the whole thing up in a nutshell..

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    P4S hold all the cards, they set the rules. P4S can withhold BSF funding to any LA which does not meet their criteria.

    In the early days of BSF, P4S were making the rules up as they went along, and tried to retro-fit many. It could be argued that one of the reasons why BSF has been subject to so many delays and why so few schools have completed their rebuilds to date is partly due to the 'heavy-handed' approach taken by P4S.

    Of course, P4S would counter-argue that the delays are due to LAs not been geared up to handle projects as big as BSF and lack the necessary skills.....

    Judge for yourself! Take a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7228964.stm
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