There is a thread on Northgate here:
Perhaps you should talk to beeswax?
Can't afford tin hats, budget wont cover it
Luckily we still have a few cadburys roses tins left over from Christmas. They'll do!
Just been told (well, I was saying it and boss confirmed it) that the now two choices for Nottingham are Inspired Spaces and Transform Schools.
Inspired Spaces has Ramesys as IT and Transform has Northgate.
Ramesys is less than 5min walk from our school, but can't find much on Northgate, apart from their site stating they just got the IT contract for Cadbury Schwepps. So trips to sort out the dairy milk production could be on hand
But then the money comes rollin in and the conditions are told .. then it's... "maybe you might not be employed by the school any more, or sorry my hands are tied, or it's the system"...
Yep heard it first hand from the other county schools to thier ICT Staff as well..
Why isn't the ICT Manager at the meetings ? is your Boss the ICT Manager ?
Also what is to consider is the cost of £90 per pupil for the Support..
So a school of 1200 pupils will cost £108,000.00 per year for very basic support 8:30 to 5.. just for the PC's, Printers and servers... any thing else is additional..
BSF pays for the first year but for the rest of the 4 years of the contract the school has to find the funding themselves..
What do you and your boss cost the school and how much additional support do you give...
This is where the BSF is BAD value for money..
Destroys the ICT Community of a school...
Last edited by Grommit; 7th January 2008 at 02:43 PM.
According to http://www.cnplus.co.uk/News/notting...A3AE3245F12B5C dated 19th Nov 2007
"Nottingham City Council has shortlisted two consortia for the £90 million first phase Nottingham Building Schools for the Future scheme in the East Midlands.
The shortlist for the scheme has been whittled down to Inspired Spaces, led by Carillion, and Transform Schools, led by Balfour Beatty and Mansell."
It's worth noting that neither of these short listed consortium have any major in-house IT specialism. Presumably they'll contract it out.
Whats the union doing? Consultation is supposed to be taking place elevating worries and concerns over employment contracts etc. get onto your unison branch asap.
in a normal council/outsourcing bidding process (non bsf), a council will invite bids with a broad specification and different companies will put in their bids. The invitation to tender will be a public advert.
What is going on here does sound peculiar to say the least, but anything that is decided will be minuted, and you can get that info if you choose - all council minutes are publicly available. Anything that you are not sure about you can get from a Freedom of Information act search - give an FOI list to the head teacher/LA if your union are doing nothing. If they fail to give the information within 20 working days they are in breach of the law. - The only information that is confidential and commercially sensitive is the price of the bid.
In an ongoing competitive bid situation information will only be given to those involved in scoring of the bids, or working on criteria to score the bids.
Some of the 'bid' business is sold on after the bid has been finalised so don't be too surprised if you don't see any IT companies in the frame until late in the day as the ICT spend represents only about 10% of a typical BSF contract and I suspect does not get as much attention as we would like!
It's interesting to note that (as far as I am aware) none of the major 'global' IT outsourcing operations such as EDS, IBM & others has shown any interest in bidding for the BSF ICT business. I suspect it's because they have realised they cannot make it pay. There again, I have never seen a business case for BSF and the outsourcing of ICT, has anyone else I wonder?
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documen..._interests.pdf5. Is the information commercially sensitive?
Companies compete by offering something different from their rivals. That difference will often be the price at which the goods or services can be delivered but that difference may also relate to quality or specification. Information which identifies how a company has developed that unique element is more likely to be commercially sensitive. For example where a company competes on price, it may be that the final price charged is readily available, however information disclosing how the company is able to offer the product at that price may not be. That is information revealing profit margins is more likely to be commercially sensitive. This argument can extend to working practices etc that allow a quality of service to be more efficiently delivered.
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