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    Spot on localzuk!

    Not sure if the Google EULA-hula is still the same but would you trust your entire infrastructure to this?

    Discussion on: Inside the Google Chrome OS security model | ZDNet

    The danger is that once you move your infrastructure away you won't get it back due to the costs of starting again from scratch so if Google one day decides it's got enough market share and hikes the prices up... what can you do then?

    The Cloud is a service, one of many different pieces of the overall jigsaw to be used in the right place based on its merits and disadvantages. It's not the entire solution, reminds me of "universal fit" car parts... fits all, fits nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    Maybe we are different being an Independent but i know our schemes of work can change yearly with exam boards changing things. We do not have stacks of special software, infact i can only name 1 across the departments that is used. We have Macromedia MX installed but is not need by any subjects, not even ICT.

    I agree that a 'one size fits all' approach is not going to work, the right tool for the right job is key. But to through out new ideas because it wont fit all is wrong as well. I can see our IT suites replaced with this or something similar and see no effect on the teaching, IF the correct infrastructure (net connection) was in place.

    Electronic voting systems, now there is a waste of money, whats wrong with a show of hands? But cloud based use a shared spreadsheet or questionnaire not difficult. Mic's it's a netbook surely it'll have them built in seen they come with a webcam. Control of hardware, not sure which area of control you mean, but proxy settings, Homepages, default app's, blocked app's are all controlled via google apps management console for the devices.

    I'm not saying these are the answer to future IT in schools but if new things are not discussed then we'll still be sat here in another 10 years saying we cant change for the same reason's that are being stated now, surely?
    Mic's - portable microphones, used in small groups in lessons. Not microphones in laptops. Kinda like dictaphones, but for computers. Or what about things like Flip video cameras etc...

    Control - I mean systems and control, the curriculum subject in D&T.

    You are in a truly unique position if you have no specialist stuff. What about CAD software? We use 2D Design here, and use a Roland vinyl cutter with it. What about video editing? What about your music department? Ours has 3 different pieces of specialist software, not including audacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    Maybe we are different being an Independent
    we are too, and to be honest i dont think parents would be too happy paying x thousand every year to be told "we know your child wants to learn about graphical design but we decided to install paint for them which should mean they at least get a job designing the menu for the local greasy spoon"
    we have a lot of subject specific software, not all specialised, but we do have some adobe stuff, some web design stuff and as localzuk mentions, music specific, CAD specific too

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    Hmmm, it does seem a bit backward to throw out the best tools for the job to replace them with something that might furfil the basics if its lucky.

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    I wont get into too much but the only department that uses anything other than basic software is Music. I'm not saying i'd replace the entire school with these, or another device, but i do believe something like this can be useful in a school. It's the right tool for the right job again, and i dont think full blown desktops are needed everywhere.

    The world is moving to a browser based lifetime, surely without looking forward schools will get left behind. Aren't we meant to teach them for the future not the past? I wouldn't dream of removing the Mac suite for these but why shouldn't the Library be something like this? Or our Boarding house communal pc's with something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw

    The danger is that once you move your infrastructure away you won't get it back due to the costs of starting again from scratch so if Google one day decides it's got enough market share and hikes the prices up... what can you do then?
    which is exactly the same as Microsoft's business model, with the exception that Google's API's are open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    The world is moving to a browser based lifetime, surely without looking forward schools will get left behind.
    We use metric tonnes of software that is not browser based and is better for it, please stop speaking for the whole world. There is a place for cheaper more robust devices that can be used along side but completely replacing a working system with something like this is premature and irrisponcible at this point in many places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post

    The world is moving to a browser based lifetime, surely without looking forward schools will get left behind. Aren't we meant to teach them for the future not the past?
    agree 100%, which is why we have put in the infrastructure to allow non web based apps to run over the web.

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    I've never claimed that replacing the entire system with these or anything else is the way forward. I'm sorry for mis-reading the way that IT is going, i know for us here and all my friends and family that everything they do on a PC is moving to browser systems, guess we all must life in a little bubble.

    I agree replacing a working system with something so new would be mad but should we not discuss how new devices/tech could, in the future, improve ICT and teaching in schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    agree 100%, which is why we have put in the infrastructure to allow non web based apps to run over the web.
    Hope you've costed and checked your licensing properly for doing this, there are loads of apps for which the standard licence doesn't cover use through terminal services/citrix or being made available outside of the network and published over the internet, even if secured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    I've never claimed that replacing the entire system with these or anything else is the way forward. I'm sorry for mis-reading the way that IT is going, i know for us here and all my friends and family that everything they do on a PC is moving to browser systems, guess we all must life in a little bubble.

    I agree replacing a working system with something so new would be mad but should we not discuss how new devices/tech could, in the future, improve ICT and teaching in schools?
    Agreed, but the original post is about skipping your entire infrastructure and replacing with chromebooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teejay View Post
    Hope you've costed and checked your licensing properly for doing this, there are loads of apps for which the standard licence doesn't cover use through terminal services/citrix or being made available outside of the network and published over the internet, even if secured.
    yes. college policy is that we support anywhere anytime learning. we only purchase software that meets these criteria.

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    Another point the think about is how will you monitor what its used for? If it uses a Google account to store information in "the cloud" everyone would have their own account with no way to monitor usage as a whole.

    I know with cyber bullying issues here we have had to check student accounts / emails (covered by the AUP) to resolve these things, it would be a lot harder under a cloud system like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    which is exactly the same as Microsoft's business model, with the exception that Google's API's are open.
    My point is around the Cloud model as a whole, regardless of whether that provider is Google, Microsoft, Amazon or anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    I've never claimed that replacing the entire system with these or anything else is the way forward. I'm sorry for mis-reading the way that IT is going, i know for us here and all my friends and family that everything they do on a PC is moving to browser systems, guess we all must life in a little bubble.

    I agree replacing a working system with something so new would be mad but should we not discuss how new devices/tech could, in the future, improve ICT and teaching in schools?
    If done in a rational, sensible way with a proper cost \ benefit analysis and based on where \ how the new tech would improve on the current system then yes. Maybe this is where you're coming from rather than the OP's idea, in which case fair enough. Part of IT is evaluating the new technologies as they appear (VDI is a good example at the moment) then choosing the right time to move towards it.

    Jumping on a bandwagon for a product that's barely been released with no forethought and logic in the decision apart from "it's new so must be better" hmmm think I'll pass...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamH View Post
    Another point the think about is how will you monitor what its used for? If it uses a Google account to store information in "the cloud" everyone would have their own account with no way to monitor usage as a whole.

    I know with cyber bullying issues here we have had to check student accounts / emails (covered by the AUP) to resolve these things, it would be a lot harder under a cloud system like this.
    google education apps accounts allow you to all these things.

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