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Blue Skies Thread, Turn the filters off and use Securus in General; Originally Posted by webman Is it really our responsibility to monitor the likes of Securus? I would suggest it's more ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    Is it really our responsibility to monitor the likes of Securus? I would suggest it's more to do with the behaviour/pastoral side of things.
    Definitely the right forum for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Active filtering - you take control of the filtering system, tweak it to suit your needs, check logs (or have it email you information) on a regular basis to help you choose how you tweak it. You also work with the different departments to change the filtering before the need arises.

    Reactive monitoring - having solutions like Securus which track what kids are doing (and staff I suppose) and the negative results are captured to be reviewed after the fact. Stress on the negative results (based on the use of keywords)
    With Securus you take control of its filtering (you can choose what you filter), tweak it to suit your needs & check the logs reularly to help you choose how you tweak it. Doesn't that then put it into the Active Filtering category?

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    No, because whatever hits you get back have already happened, you are reacting to what has happened. With active filtering the 'problem' is stopped before it occurs, i.e. is (pro)active.

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    But some of what Securus does is also pro-active - it can block websites, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    Is it really our responsibility to monitor the likes of Securus? I would suggest it's more to do with the behaviour/pastoral side of things.
    That depends on your job description I suppose; as I'm also E-Safety Coordinator, then yes, it probably should be.
    Last edited by BatchFile; 18th March 2010 at 01:07 PM.

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    Ofsted have recently reported that pupils are safer using a less restricted internet and learning how to manage risk.

    Students safest using the internet when they are trusted to manage their own risk / News / Ofsted home / Ofsted - Ofsted

    Obviously there is stuff that need to be banned from schools but from my experience a lot of stuff is blocked because it more entertaining than lessons. This then using a sledgehammer to crack a nut these students that are off task need to see there are consequences for the choices they make and so if they access facebook for example when they should be working actions are taken like they would be in a work place.

    I often use the analogy of a swimming pool for the use of the internet. Water is dangerous so there are rules ie no running. When you first start you are in the protected shallow end with arm bands but ultimately you are taught to swim. There are life guards on hand ie: CEOPS or school staff.

    Schools need to stop just dipping there toe in the water and teach the students the skill they need to use the internet responsibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJonas View Post
    You can get the maximum client load from the front panel of the securus box
    The web interface is telling me Clients / Licensed Clients: 256 / 300 .

    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    Is it really our responsibility to monitor the likes of Securus? I would suggest it's more to do with the behaviour/pastoral side of things.
    I can see your point, but at the same time, it picks up security violations like hacking and use of web-proxies - something that is best, and easiest, handled by us. (Plus, that's just how things work here. It has a plug = ICT look after it.)

    Either way, someone has to monitor it - if it's you or your student support officer, it takes somebody's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Face-Man View Post
    Ofsted have recently reported that pupils are safer using a less restricted internet and learning how to manage risk ... Schools need to stop just dipping there toe in the water and teach the students the skill they need to use the internet responsibly.
    I completely agree.

    I've seen both sides of the fence and work for two schools that have opposing filtering views. Both schools are ten minutes away from each other and are on the LGfL/Synetrix filtering system.

    School A blocks everything - youtube, social networking (facebook, twitter, other chat), porn, and hacking. Basically everything on a category that the network manager* thinks is inappropriate. No Securus system in place. No reporting, no logs. Just blocks.

    School B blocks only porn, hacking and (recently) facebook. Twitter is okay, games are fine, web chat is permitted, but Securus is in place and actively alerts direct to SLT when a student breaches the enforced AUP which says no games during lesson time, three strikes and you're out, etc etc.

    The difference is in School A the network manager decided what to block and what not to block, and the SLT have thought that there is no changing it. Teachers complain that schemes of work are difficult because youtube et al is locked up, but the SLT have not thought to tackle the issue and change it.

    School B, the kids use their iPhones (and others) on the school wireless (dirty network), use social networking (except Facebook, which was deemed disruptive to lessons/learning spaces) to research trends and exchange ideas, and work with the local CLC on an iPhone project and were featured on BBC News with world-reaching publicity and offers of knowledge exchange, feee iPhone apps, and so on. In fact you may know who that school is as they've been in the press for the project.

    I think that any school could change to an open model, providing
    1. it's monitored
    2. any breaches of AUP are reacted upon
    3. the students (AND staff) know that monitoring is in place
    4. users have the opportunity to explain/apologise for a possible breach


    I'd recommend any school to try it. But as it is usually an about-face on filtering/monitoring, it must be done by explaining to the kids the benefits, the reasons why, about safe use, and the consequences of over-stepping the mark (and then actually following up on them!).

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    Last edited by danieldainty; 1st April 2010 at 12:50 AM. Reason: Attributed Face-Man

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    Smile Monitoring - Whose job is it anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by mortstar View Post
    Definitely the right forum for this
    This is such an emotive issue. In my experience every adult has a responsibility for e-safety but of course 'every adult' can't have access to the data for a multiplicity of reasons. However, the summary is this; Securus and other similar software has information of use to different people, each of whom have a duty of care. So as far as we're concerned when installing or training we advise as follows;

    1) Network security and control issues such as proxy bypass and hacking are the role of the Network Professionals who need to know who's breaching or attempting to breach audit or security policies. The information can then be used to adjust policies and improve the network.
    2) Pastoral care issues are the responsibility of the SMT who should 'elect' nominated individuals who know the students to receive the automated email alerts and scheduled reports upon which they should act. This includes regularly logging in to ensure they are reviewing captures and taking appropriate safety and disciplinary measures as necessary.

    Largely and with regret, we know that in 'most' schools the job is foisted on the Network Team who are expected to trawl through the captures and present the staff with the most serious issues. It is often a battle to get the SMT engaged in the actual monitoring but with the latest report from Ofsted (Feb 2010) and their new e-safety inspections (from Sept 2009), schools are taking a more pragmatic and realistic view of their responsibilites. The drum banging is far from over but at least there's some progress!

    Happy Easter all

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