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    What lighting to kit out a 12sqm stage with a 220+ capacity, 280sqm hall?

    I've just been told to get for Thursday my 'ideal' lighting setup for our new build 280sqm hall with 12sqm(expandable) stage, 220+ capacity, .

    Including weights and rigging. I'm not too sure where to start, found a basic package that looks good from an australian company, but can't see much without having a site survey (of a room not yet built) from UK Companies.

    Anyone want to share what you've got/what your ideal system would be? This is to go with school shows, and even if we can't get the actual lights permanently, the rigging needs to be able to suspend what we'd need for a school show...

    I've also got a 140m2 hall to think about having lighting effects in too...

    I'm a bit stuck!!

    Thanks,

    Laura

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    How long is a piece of string?

    Your link is broken too. It might help to put a location in your profile; maybe someone who does this sort of thing is nearby?

    PM sent.
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    You need some Profiles, Fresnals, Parcans, Floods and a Follow Spot thats a starter for 10

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    I read it as needing rigging now rather than lanterns. Apart from specifying two inch diameter (insist on this size, don't let the architect get all "oh, it will look bulky, we'll use 1") Lots of dimmers, and permenant connections between the dimmers (which can be noisy so should be in a separate room) Control cables from anywhere the desk (you'll need one) might be used to the dimmers.

    Lots of sound cables, and somewhere IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE STAGE to operate if you will ever use microphones. Needn't be the only control position though.

    How are you/teachers/kids going to get up to the lights? You HAVE to be able to do so. Watch out for H&S jobsworths.

    And on and on. You should probably get a consultant in. Maybe the ABTT have a list?

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    If you have a local theatre, pop in and see if you can get some advice. The lighting guy from ours came into school and spent ages helping us.

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    ^^^^ Best advice you can get Plus it doesnt hurt to have good relations with them for school trips and productions and the like

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    Contact LiteStructures.co.uk for rigging - industry standard, seasoned pros. Modular gear so can be fully customised on per show basis by one man (astralite aluminium, weighs naff all). They should be able to advise on the rest too or put u in touch with someone who can.

    Failing that, go to local theatre as per recommendations before talking to usual educational installation 'specialists'... haven't come across a consultant in school setting yet that actually has a clue what they're talking about.
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    But not necessarily appropriate for a school where fixed bars may be. Kids assembling truss to be hung overhead? Not on my watch!

    We really cannot give specific advice without much more info.

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    Obviously kids don't assemble it... and shouldn't in any situation. They do static rigs that can be fixed, which can also be extended in modular fashion to suit, or free truss. Bespoke design or off-the-shelf.

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    Hi Laura,

    Unfortunately I don't think we're allowed to post up case studies to show you the theatres, drama studios and school halls we've equipped previously in both new builds (off plan) and retro-fit but I'm happy to try and help with your original question.

    As Andrew_C said, at the moment this is a case of how long is a piece of string. Here are some things you may want to consider to narrow this down towards a workable solution:

    1. An obvious one but budget is going to limit your options pretty quickly.
    2. How frequently is the system going to be used? Will it just be once a term for a school production?
    3. Will lessons be taught in the space? If so, which subjects?
    4. Do you have in-house expertise to run a lighting and sound rig? If the space is going to be used by subject teachers are they confident on such equipment? Do they have the inclination / capacity for training?
    5. I assume you're having other AV equipment in the space- have you thought about integrating this system with other equipment to provide users with a single control interface?
    6. If you're teaching drama / performing arts in the space, are students required to complete any technical components as part of their courses? Eg. Light rigging, sound stage configuration, etc
    7. Will the space be used in different configurations? I.e. Could the point from which you control light and sound vary?

    Hope that provokes some useful conversations. Let me know if you need anything further from us.

    Kind regards,

    Mike

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    Go have a look at the ETC Lighting solutions for Theatre, Film & Television Studios and Architectural spaces : ETC

    I heartilly recomenf the source four series having installed literally hundreds of them.
    the only odditty you will find is that there are no parcans or fresnels as ETC use a thing called a parnel which as the name suggests is a combination of the 2.

    Do you already have dimming installed? if not then you could look at the ETC smart packs as a one stop shop. if your budget does not stretch that far then anytronics ( Anytronics Ltd Home Page )dimming will provide you with a more costeffective, less feature rich, but competent option

    depending on what you need the system to do, i would look at desks from zero 88 as being a good option, something like a jester for simple use or a frog2 for more advanced use..

    I did lighting and sound installs for a 6 years before i jumped ship a month ago from the 70 hour weeks and being home for a weekend once a month.

    if you need some unbiased help PM me.

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    Thanks, there's some really helpful replies, I've got in touch with the local specialist who's fitted out some of the other academies, they've given me some really good advice...

    I apologise if anyone was offended by the open-endedness of this thread, but when you're asked for a dream system it is open ended, and therefore open to imagination...

    Thanks for the replies anyway, I've got my dream system on paper to show the builders!

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    I don't think anyone was offended, but we were trying to get you to ask the right question! Glad it helped.

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