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    Big thanks to everyone who commented. This info very much helps making recommendations.

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    If money is an issue like you said in your first post / comment then get mostly PC's with which ever choice of software(s) then maybe get one or two macs at least with garage band ( which is included ) that way at least the students can get experience of both platforms as far as operating systems as well as different software - you can always get logic studio and other software later on money permitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    what about logic studio on the Mac?
    Just for reference a K-12 site license for Logic Studio costs 1,499.00 (8,941.78 Dirham's) (which is cheaper than buying 9 x Cubase 6 licenses or 15 x Sibelius 6 licenses).

    The best thing about Logic IMO is you don't need any stupid USB dongles or activation servers and the site license allows installation on upto 500 Mac's.
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    Thanks Mac_Shinobi:

    With the Macs, would you suggest networking them or leaving them as stand alone? I am concerned that we don't have any Mac expertise on the SysAdmin side. If I wanted to integrate them with AD so students can access all their files and shared drive, printers, etc I think I need a little expertise. Would I then need a x-server or power mac (or mac mini as earlier suggested)? There seems to be a bit more overhead than simply buying machines. What is your opinioin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman View Post
    Thanks Mac_Shinobi:

    With the Macs, would you suggest networking them or leaving them as stand alone? I am concerned that we don't have any Mac expertise on the SysAdmin side. If I wanted to integrate them with AD so students can access all their files and shared drive, printers, etc I think I need a little expertise. Would I then need a x-server or power mac (or mac mini as earlier suggested)? There seems to be a bit more overhead than simply buying machines. What is your opinioin?

    Thanks again,

    Patman
    No, you don't need an x-server. You can 'bind' a mac to your AD which allows AD users to login with their credentials and access their documents. And it is very easy to do to!
    I personally prefer Macs for music. For a school garageband is perfect to teach the basics of music recording and editing with results the students would be very proud of. You could purchase the macs one year then wait a year and on the next years budget you could look into Logic pro... very good and profession software.

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    If you want to lock down the machines to restrict students doing stuff, then you ideally need one mac to one side on which you can install WorkGroup Manager, which then allows you to set managed preferences. This can be a regular Mac client, doesn't need to be a powermac / macmini server etc.

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    We have been a Music specialist school since 2005 and have used Windows exclusively. With the exception of the odd request for Logic we have never been unable to fill the needs of the school - there is an arguement that Logic is not really needed as such - but it is very widely used in music production and in HE. It is usually NQTs or placement students who request Logic as they have had access to it (I even had one NQT argue that macs were better than PCs because macs have logic and PCs don't! hardly an advantage of the platform itself IMO)

    We started with XP workstations on a vanilla 2003 domain, we are now running 64 bit Windows 7 on a 2008R2 domain.

    Sibelius is great, very few problems with it and good support on the very rare occasion I have had to contact them - not sure if the support is still as good now that Sibelius have been bought by Avid, but I haven't had to find out so that's a good sign.

    Cubase - currently we use Cubase 5 and that works well most of the time, there are a few performance issues once in a while but nothing too bad. Steinbergs support isn't that great as a rule. Earlier versions of Cubase could be a little quirky, but on the whole everything needed in the classroom has been delivered without too many headaches! Cubase 5 does require a dongle - we mount these inside the case to prevent "borrowing"

    Reason - currently we use Reason 4, we haven't bothered with Record as we have Cubase. Very few issues with Reason with one notable exception - rewire doesn't work with 64 bit (last time I checked anyway) and this has been an issue for quite a while now - I should probably have another look at whether this has been solved yet!

    In terms of effectiveness, we run NCFE music tech, music GCSE, Music and Music Tech A levels and some of the Exams for these subjects are computer based. We have never found any course requirement that we have been unable to meet - so I think that PCs are just as effective as macs for provision of education although it is worth exposing students to as many different technologies as possible in my opinion, but this is held in check by the reality of cost and supporting more equipment.

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