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    Casio Projectors won't last the distance

    My regular projector installer was surveying a school hall install for me and the subject came around to Casio LED/Laser vs Hot bulb Projectors and he was very much against the Casio's on basis of cost (whole life), quality of image and deterioration of said quality over time.

    He reffered to an article from a projector trade magazine for his last argument.

    Now, IMHO the cost of say an Epson with 3 year projector/bulb warranty vs a Casio with 5 year warranty could work out about £100 cheaper if all you ended up buying was one extra bulb.

    But the projector is likely to fail (they get very hot and IMHO heaters are the only things desigined to work for a long time when hot ) between 3 and 5 years so you'd have to be a bit lucky to realise the saving.

    The projected image quality looks fine to me (but then again my eyesight is starting to fade ) so that's not an issue with me.

    The only argument I can't get a grip on is the last one re deterioation of the image quality over time. AFAICS, no-one has run one of these for 5 years so no-one knows what'll happen them but maybe there is some "unbiased" info somewhere that a fellow edugeeker knows about??

    To my mind, being able to stick a projector up and know its covered for 5 years and doesn't contain parts that will definitely fail during that period is a big plus and worth the possible small monetary saving.

    Anyone got any thoughts/info?

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    Major plus for the LED type is install and forget, with 60+ normal projectors here in our school cleaning the filters is a bit of a bind, I suppose we will have to wait and see how the image quality spans out. I know one thing, on replacement I will be looking at LED only.

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    si i think you may be right, i found them to become very hot very quick and having them incased in some of the bracketry i have used seems to block up most of the projector with not much airflow, i reckon we will see a high failure rate towards the middle of next year especially when summer comes around and them classrooms are burning hot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullpete View Post
    si i think you may be right, i found them to become very hot very quick and having them incased in some of the bracketry i have used seems to block up most of the projector with not much airflow, i reckon we will see a high failure rate towards the middle of next year especially when summer comes around and them classrooms are burning hot!
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    Why have you 'encased' them in any form of bracket? Surely they just mount with a plate on their base? Ours were mounted that way, and yes they get hot, but so do normal projectors inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullpete View Post
    si i think you may be right, i found them to become very hot very quick and having them incased in some of the bracketry i have used seems to block up most of the projector with not much airflow, i reckon we will see a high failure rate towards the middle of next year especially when summer comes around and them classrooms are burning hot!
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    Sorry to hijack this thread but are you saying that you expect the Casio LED projectors to fail next year during the summer?

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    just from the brackets i was supplied to fit the casio projectors into is what i am saying, and no they werent fitted with just a plate, it was an encased shelf bracket, specifically manufactured to house the projector into,also they say maintenance free, how can a projector be maintenance free if it has no filter? hope fully it c0-ordinators etc will keep up with the cleaning that will be required, its a great peice of kit dont get me wrong i will not say the manufacturer as i will probably get told off again!, and i would not be surprised if they do fail into next year no, but that is only my thoughts , possibly not the thoughts of others,
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    Si,

    I would imagine the reason your supplier was so against selling you the casio's is that he wont be able to make any money selling them to you.

    Casio made a total balls up on the release of the product and stock levels are still not where they should be. As there was limited stock every internet dealer and his son put ridiculously cheap prices on the web as they had no way or intention of supplying them.

    There are now a very limited number of companies willing to promote this product as most dealers are lucky to make a fiver if they sell them.

    Now I know this sounds like a good deal for the schools but this has been argued numerous times on this site. Dealers need to make some profit to stay in business, especially if they are to offer decent service levels to their customers. So many dealers are now picking up on half truths about the LED units and highlighting their limitations to put people off.

    You are quite right there has been no tests to see image deterioation over time as no-one has run them for this long. Technically there should be far less deterioation of the casio as it is mainly the bulb dimming which worsens the image quality in most projectors.

    Hullpete, I am aware of the entrapment that has been mentioned and there has been some issues with some units fitted in early versions of these pieces of equipment.

    I would simply say that if you find you have an issue with any units overheating go back to the reseller you bought them from, and if they offer any level of support they should be able to sort this for you with minimum fuss.

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    If they're under warranty for 5 years and fail after 3... what's the issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsiegee40 View Post
    If they're under warranty for 5 years and fail after 3... what's the issue?
    Exactly, for Casio to offer a 5 year warranty to education users they have to be fairly confident in the quality of the unit.
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    We've fitted a couple of them as testers and are absolutely delighted with them. With regards to them getting hot, what projectors don't get hot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtotheb View Post
    Exactly, for Casio to offer a 5 year warranty to education users they have to be fairly confident in the quality of the unit.
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    We've fitted a couple of them as testers and are absolutely delighted with them. With regards to them getting hot, what projectors don't get hot?
    or have a lot of get out clauses

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    or have a lot of get out clauses
    Couldn't really find anything in the T&Cs when I looked at them.

    I think its a lot of scaremongering by others to get us back onto Lamped units as lots of people want the Casio units, our LA has been pushing them for months now saying they are the future and use them over lamped models. So the lamped units by Epson, Hitchai, NEC, Infocus etc will all be suffering from poor sales I suspect.

    Casio have stuffed up and I certainly will be asking questions at BETT of them over the 12 months of cock-ups over shipments of the units and what exactly is expected for the next year.

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    They will be on our stand at BETT quite a lot John, make sure you ask for Alan or Phil (both nice guys) as they are the guys who are responsible for the UK market.

    I have to say as with most products sold in the UK it really is out of their hands though.

    I used to work for a very well known LCD screen manufacturer, and can honestly say we were expected to sell whatever units we were sent from Japan regardless of our forecasts.

    I also think the education market in the UK took Casio by surprise as originally, it was a corporate product. I convinced them of the massive potential in the education market due to the total cost of ownership and unfortunately they marketed it very well and didnt have the products to back it up.

    As for the warranty originally it was 3 years and I requested a 5 year warranty for education and they agreed with minimul fuss as they do have aith in their product.

    As with everything though (and especially if you look through some previous posts) it depends on who you buy through as to what availability you would be able to get for the product.

    Talking of BETT I will be giving a sneak peak at Prometheans new interactive white board in a post hopefully tomorrow.

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    Just to put it in to perspective the casio are NOT fit and forget you still need to deep clean them i have done several now same as any projector 1000 hrs and most need a deep clean the image does fade with dust ingress same as any other projector.
    And as for the epson you can get 5 year warrenty but normal 3 year INCLUDES THE LAMP (for education) the casio are ok but if you stand an Epson next to it with same image projected the Casio looks dim and slighty washed out with softer image (lower res). I personally would go for an Epson but the Casios are ok and they are about the same size as the new Epsons, Nither will overheat if installed corectly.

    And yes Darren the AB500 is a nice product but its very heavy and only in a couple of schools as yet, we will see how finger touch works out in the long run.........................

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    Last edited by Marc-Engineer; 10th December 2010 at 03:44 PM.

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    Just the fact the casio turns off straight away without having to wait 5 minutes is a bonus! We've got 11 or 12 of the casio's and they havent missed a beat so far.

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    Oh i see you mean same as the epsons?

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