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AV and Multimedia Related Thread, Torrent Legality in Technical; Originally Posted by tmcd35 AFAIK, this law was finally updated a month or so ago, so it's no longer illegal ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    AFAIK, this law was finally updated a month or so ago, so it's no longer illegal to format shift any content so long as it is for personal use only and you are not distributing the content in any way. This includes ripping DVD's to file servers, CD's to MP3's, VHS tapes to DVD, etc.

    I believe the education fair use updates allows for copying parts of works from an original source for research purposes. So you could rip a key scene from To Kill A Mockingbird (classic film) and give a copy to each student on a pen drive for them to cross reference with the book they are reading. But, you couldn't burn them copies of the entire film.
    So they have, as of 1st June. Blimey! Copyright law is marginally less stupid than it was in May, albeit still pretty short-sighted.

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    So technically, anyone who purchased a Sony MiniDisc (for example) back in the day then ripped their CD collection using Sony's own software to copy the music onto their Sony MiniDisc was in fact breaking the law? The same law that is meant to protect Sony? I guess that's why it never took off, because they could sue you for copyright infrigement by using their product

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    So technically, anyone who purchased a Sony MiniDisc (for example) back in the day then ripped their CD collection using Sony's own software to copy the music onto their Sony MiniDisc was in fact breaking the law?
    Erm, Yes!

    The same law that is meant to protect Sony?
    Kinda. The law is more meant to protect the income of content creators. It just so happens a lot of the content creators are now 9-5 jobbers working for faceless corps rather than independents.

    I guess that's why it never took off, because they could sue you for copyright infrigement by using their product
    Not really, they were actually reasonably popular back in the day. More a victim of bad timing than anything. CD Walkmans, CD-R's, MP3's and Napster all appeared at around the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Bear in mind that it's still technically illegal to rip CDs you own to MP3s for your own personal use, or downloading torrents of MP3s for CDs you own.
    The latter part makes sense, as you'd be uploading the torrent whilst downloading it. Potentially to people who didn't have an original.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    And even when you have all the relevant licences, you need to use a legal copy - so when teachers come to you with a DVD in hand asking if they can have copies so they can use it in three lessons at once, no, no they cannot. They need to purchase three copies.

    Again: copyright law is stupid.
    ??? I don't see why this is stupid. If you'd designed the world's greatest spork and were selling it commercially, would you be happy if a teacher got someone to scan and 3D print off their own copies rather than buy originals 'cos "It's for the kids"? I wouldn't, but I may just be tight!

    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    So technically, anyone who purchased a Sony MiniDisc (for example) back in the day then ripped their CD collection using Sony's own software to copy the music onto their Sony MiniDisc was in fact breaking the law? The same law that is meant to protect Sony? I guess that's why it never took off, because they could sue you for copyright infrigement by using their product
    Depends where you were. True in the UK, but IIRC the US (bizarrely given the sway the *AA's have) has always had a "fair use" exemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    So technically, anyone who purchased a Sony MiniDisc (for example) back in the day then ripped their CD collection using Sony's own software to copy the music onto their Sony MiniDisc was in fact breaking the law? The same law that is meant to protect Sony? I guess that's why it never took off, because they could sue you for copyright infrigement by using their product
    And the chances are the music you were ripping was published by Sony as well

    Quote Originally Posted by LeMarchand View Post
    ??? I don't see why this is stupid. If you'd designed the world's greatest spork and were selling it commercially, would you be happy if a teacher got someone to scan and 3D print off their own copies rather than buy originals 'cos "It's for the kids"? I wouldn't, but I may just be tight!
    That "stupid" comment was aimed more at the paragraph before, about the four licences you need to watch a film. Joke was somewhat undermined/muddied by my decision to then add in extra factual content, thus undoing the sarcastic content. Alas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    That "stupid" comment was aimed more at the paragraph before, about the four licences you need to watch a film. Joke was somewhat undermined/muddied by my decision to then add in extra factual content, thus undoing the sarcastic content. Alas!
    Is that because you didn't have a sarcastic content license for EduGeek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Is that because you didn't have a sarcastic content license for EduGeek?
    Pfft. Like I need one. I'm hardly ever sarcastic.

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    You'll make me mega rich... if I could ever get my sarcasm detector service to stop exploding

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    You'll make me mega rich... if I could ever get my sarcasm detector service to stop exploding
    Are you the NSA?

    http://www.cnet.com/news/secret-serv...ting-software/

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    ROFL!! Sure that's easy for them to do!!!

    If (($nationality == "British") and ($baseThread < 100)) Then sarcasm = true

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    Any records of a teacher actually getting punished by copyright authorities?

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    Torrent - not a chance. Anything outside of the original usage terms of the media will be forbidden. In a professional capacity you can't risk anything like this.

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    Copyright & Schools: photocopy, scan, screen or broadcast copyright resources in classrooms - simple advice for teachers gives exact advice about what can be done, where, when and how it can be used.

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    Oh, and you can go to Intellectual Property Office - Changes to copyright law and guidance for the list of new and updated exceptions

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    The other thing you have to watch for is how long the bbc for example is the rights holder this may only be for a certain amount of time or only cover certain transmission methods which is why sometimes shows disappear from on demand services after a while.

    Ben

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