But come the summer and this software can be installed ready to upset the little blighter in September. I'm actually half way through my £6000 consumables budget in just 2 months! Admittedly £400 was for this software
But if you use the release stations in large commons areas such as the library you should save some because people actually have to go up and approve the job so people dosn't get wasted by accidently clicks and walk offs.
You're right, I'd much rather put the 12K to good use and buy hardware and software that is going to be of more use, than hand it over to microsoft for Office. Open office is the way to go !
I can understand, from the teachers point of view, they haven't had a techie for months and they find administering things using winsuite to be quite easy and agreeable but from a technical point of view it's a complete nightmare. I will be trying my best to get rid of it
you didn't, but if you want the respect of intellectuals you've got to at least pretend to be ;-)
Firstly Brian - Take a base ball bat and gently apply it to your heads head until he caves in and agrees how bad WinSuite is. Seriously, convince him that you need to move to Win7 ASAP to stay up with modern tech. Then, as an after thought, mention WinSuite is not Win7 compatible. Whatever you do, get rid of it!!!
As for OpenOffice. To upgrade all machines to the current version of M$ Office would cost us £12k. Thankfully M$ only release new version every 3 years and we can skip versions. So £12k every 6 years. The problem is £12k is a computer suite! I'd rather replace old hardware than waist £12k on a piece of software we don't really need, do we?
There is a very strong argument for using OpenOffice in schools. Unlike shifting the entire OS onto open source, which would scare most teaching staff to death, Openoffice, for the end user and not to technically minded, is very very similar to Office. It offers much of the same options and facilities and because you can save to an Office format there should be no compatability issues.
How much a year would it save you? not having to go down the office route?
I would dearly love to get rid of Winsuite at one of my schools but unfortunately the head teacher thinks it's brilliant. I hate it with a passion.
A Select Agreement is a perpetual license. ie. You buy once, and that's it. Although, you can add Software Assurance (ie. the ability to update to new versions) to your select agreement, for a price.
A Schools Agreement is a yearly subscription, based on the total number of machines in your school. Even if you only use the software on half of them, you still pay for them all.
What would be the difference between a Schools Agreement and a Select Agreement?
The word here is 'vendor lock-in'. This is a term used throughout the world when discussing Microsoft. ie. they have worked actively over the last decade, using their position to force people to stay with what they produce - and leveraged that position to force their way into other markets (media players, web browsers). They have also been seen to be using tactics to prevent companies from using other OS's - ie OEM contracts that prevent companies from using other OS's. (Similar to the way Intel has just been fined for offering incentives for only using Intel chips).
So, what we end up with is a situation where we have schools and businesses who are using their software due to earlier nefarious activity. And the users within those organisations are now so tied into it, they are reluctant to change, regardless of the benefits of other software.
It'd be like getting someone to change the place they live, even if they were provided with a house which was twice the size, and half the price. People get used to something and don't like to change.
I think that you are projecting in your above post localzuk. Surely it is the teachers that have you over a barrel. Microsoft is not forcing you to use their software, you have every opertunity to not pay for it and not use it. They will not send armed asult teams if you uninstall it, it is your users that are demanding it.
Microsoft is not a charity, they are a business, you use their software and expect updates and security fixes. They expect to get money to keep paying their programmers to provide this.
This is the bizzar thing that I don't get about some open source idealists, the idea that programers have no right to be compensated for their work. Are all developers supposed to work day jobs stocking shelves or something and then only develop in their spare time?
You may not *want* the Microsoft system but your users obviously do and for better or (probably) worse you must cater for your users wants.
If your quarrel is about any increase in pricing that has taken place that is valid but given the price of doing business in the EU area the rises are hardly unexpected as the EU fines its way out of its govenments debts one large company at a time.
Sorry but MS do have us over a barrel. We're a small school (620 kids), with 2 years of primary kids, and 2 years of secondary. So our budget is not very large.
To say that we can't afford the massive prices being quoted is an understatement.
Changing teachers perceptions of anything new is difficult, not just an operating system. Introducing anything new, anywhere in a school results in the usual 'digging the heals in'. Microsoft are capitalising on this. Rather than providing us with a system we *want*, we are provided with a system that we're stuck with.
I'm not sure Microsoft have us over a barrel. They are trying to make the best, most easy to use software available. Surely that is the aim of any company, to create a product that is successful and appealing to a wide market. The problem seems to lie with end users, who either can't or don't want to learn new software and a new OS. We have the same problem. I've been spending some time looking at Edubuntu for on of our primaries and the difficulty is getting hte staff to give it a chance, purely because it doesn't have a start button ! and that's only to be used in a small selection of classrooms, not school wide.
How does Forefront compare against Avast/AVG for detection and cleanup?.. I've got to look at it soon to replace our Norton setup so probably an even worse pain for removal there than I'd like to think about now.. Was there any issues removing what you had ? How did you work the roll out, removal first then push out through wsus or have the 2 running together?
thanks for pointing that out browolf i never said i myself was *intellectual* did i :-S
Indeed, I had some fun with this trick on April 1st. With a printer saying 'OUT OF CHEESE' and then when someone called me about it, changed it to 'OUT OF ONIONS'.
for future reference its *intellectual*
cool, looks awesome but yeh you could do with a index page
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