That saved me some comparison testing. Thanks for sharing.
Well, OK, what if they'd wanted to use Logic instead then? Would you still have tried to sell them the HP kit?
You're saying that there's no reason to use a Mac in a recording environment. I'm saying it depends on the user's requirements.
In your scenario where they're using Cubase and Ableton, I can see that yours is the better way of doing it and cheerfully recommend what you've put up there. I still think that saying that you shouldn't user Macs is over simplifying it though.
Final cut pro is good, granted, but being a video editor, it's not recording suite software so wasn't in consideration when i was writing my post.
Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave I'm just saying that there's no longer a good reason to do so other than 'I like Apple stuff'. and for me that should never be a consideration when the price is so much higher. Not strictly true. If they're specifying a Mac because the tool they want to use is only available for a Mac, I'd say that's a pretty good reason to stick to the Mac myself! For example, we use Final Cut Pro here. You can only get that on a Mac. Yes, there are competitive products but you need to take into account the overall cost of moving to them. It's not just the cost of the hardware, it's the cost of changing your workflow, the cost of learning a new product etc etc etc. Saying there's no reason to buy a Mac other than the shiny factor is over simplifying it.
If all they want to do is use (for example) Photoshop though, your point is valid and a very good one
Agreed! And if they want an Apple box because of the shiny factor, I'll sell them one with a smile on my face. Money is money after all. It's just that these days you get far less bang for your buck if you compare the two platforms.
Also, Ableton Live (my software of choice) runs on both platforms and performs just as well in windows as it does in OSx, Cubase is now available in both platforms (SX7 now takes advantage of hyper threading which would really make the workstation fly - 16 logical cores over 2 CPUs ftw!). In my experience Logic Pro and Cubase are competing for the same role, so it's down to preference, but one isn't better than the other. Protools is the system that stands out, but it's massively more expensive!
As I said, I'm not saying people can't buy the more expensive Apple kit if they want it. I'm just saying that there's no longer a good reason to do so other than 'I like Apple stuff'. and for me that should never be a consideration when the price is so much higher.
Don't get me wrong, you've specced some nice hardware up there but if someone comes along to me and says "I want to use Apple hardware because reason X and I don't want to use a Windows box because reason Y", saying "But the Windows box has better hardware" isn't going to cut the mustard. There is much more to a solution than the hardware it runs on is what I'm trying to say, if someone really does need a Mac, trying to sell them a Windows box is only going to upset them!
That said, if what you've gone for up there does what they want it to do then there's no problem
I always consider Mac Minis, I generally love them. They're made using laptop hardware however and I'd generally say that's not as robust as desktop HW. Certainly it's fine for home use but there's likely to be more of a demand placed on machines in a school environment. Price-wise you're right, they're cheaper, and spec-wise they're not too different from an iMac, but in every other aspect they lose out to the workstation (Limited (and tricky) expandability, lower initial spec, less effective cooling, lack of dual processors). Basically, workstation class machines (including the mac pro) were built for this kind of environment, and the Mac Mini is not.
With regard to my technical reason it's fairly self explanatory I think. The hardware is essentially the same these days, since the advent of intel macs. Whilst the onboard audio codecs in a Mac might be slightly nicer, you're still going to want all of the outboard stuff (interface, MIDI keyboard ect) in order to do things as you wish, at which point the computer is no longer handling the audio, as that comes from the Focusrite.
Whilst I'm an avid Mac lover (My Macbook Pro is my favourite piece of tech) I just don't think the old argument that macs are better can be used any more.
Out of curiosity, did you not consider the Mac Mini? Admittedly in terms of raw CPU power, they don't hold a candle to what you've specced there but they're still comparable to the current line of iMacs and are cheaper if you buy those plus a monitor. That's what we did when we replaced a suit of iMacs for use with Final Cut Pro.
And you've not really given me a technical reason not to use the Macs other than "They're more expensive" either.
check out this thread. Just posted there too http://www.edugeek.net/forums/av-mul...ml#post1148560
Hi thanks for your post Alis I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it. We are now investigating a standard 55" smart LED TV possibly with a 5 year warranty and see how we get on. We are going to run this with an ipad and apple TV to have "remote touch" rather than bringing the pupil to the device we'll take the device to the pupil. The whole package would come in at well under £1500 on the wall. Also looking forward to trailing a chromecast with a Chromebook once it is released in the UK.
Update: We now have 2 CleverTouch 2nd Gen Screen (LCD replective screen, no freeze)(3rd gen are matt LED and have freeze)
We now have added 2 iBoard Touch screens. They are Matt LED and have a sloping cover over the reflective strip around the edge of the screen which stops dust and debris build up. These also have volume and input select controlson the bezel for if you've not got the remote to hand. Also the connections are on the side for easy access.
It also offers a built in PC option which costs £800!!!!! The touch accuracy is only marginally better tha the 2nd gen cleverTouch. Perhaps the 3rd Gen CleverTouch are also improved (havn't seen these yet)
Also saw the new promethean LED touch board this week. It only has 1 HDMI input and the ports are on the bottom so can hang down and be pulled out accidentally. The only advantage of these I can see is you get a copy of Activinspire with it.
IF you actually want to write anything on these boards it is harder than a classic ActivBaord as it detcts a touchfrom a point 2mm or closer to the board so you have to lift the pen off the board more than 2m to unclick the mouse. This makes it inferior to a ActivBoard for writing and annotating.
Would not affect using a touch optimised OS like Windows
I dig your ethos.
Fingers crossed with that.
We certainly are, hence my blog
I bought a Macbook Pro to do music on the move and to use as the base for my home studio and i love it. I just think that these days, the price is prohibitive for most schools and colleges. Not to mention that with the advent of Ableton Live (IMO far better than cubase or logic, and i've used them all extensively) that patching and compatibility are mostly a thing of the past.
...but having used both macs and pcs for several years when it comes to handling music I know which one I'd trust more. No patch Tuesday update surprises or software/hardware compatibility issues.
Admittedly my own personal opinion but everyone's entitled to one ;-)
I was quoting for new iMacs, though that used one is still fairly expensive.
And Cubase SX7 for education can be bought for £195 (Steinberg Cubase 7 Education (Unit Price 10-24)) admittedly for 10-24 users, this still fits with the suite of 25 theme.
I'm adding a couple of new features to the Z600 right now. 12GB configs are the max for single CPU options.
The point I guess is, that for the pice of the iMac, you can get all the gear you'll need with the iMac anyway. Plus a better base system to use it with
Hi - one thing to add, though, would be which software you would use with it. Logic pro x is £140 where a similar solution on a windows box would be a fair amount more. Cubase springs to mind which is nearly £500.
There's a good imac 27" here for £730 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-iMac...item4ad2265de3
I'll concede that that pc is great value but when I looked just now no ssd was available and the max ram was 12gb.
I have limited funds so have a different perspective.
Projectors Casio's would be nice but pricey, I purchase £180 DLP projectors filter less (many) and swap out the unit if it fails
Servers: I've virtualised as well, 2 big hosts and 1 san with redundancy. just 3 devices to manage 1 part fails, it get fixed under the 5 years warranty. (fixed 5 year cost)
Backup, Similar I use vranger but no 2nd san so file shares on older server: same features but slower.
Teacher devices: ipad minis !no way! can't agree with that. terrible management, consumer device (airplay) for projectors (more infrastructure) ITunes purchases, NO flash support. no power point
Printer oh goodness yes, we went to large MFPs years ago and never looked back we use ms2640s. The also network scan (free) and photocopy.
Email: I still use in house exchange) but I see the advantage of office 365.
Internet: (bonded sdsl, its terrible and county supplied) if I could afford it leased line all the way.
Wireless: I have an 8 year old dlink system not central management but it keeps on ticking... I'd go for a central system as you say.
Windows update: I have wsus and let it run all critical updates only. This has yet to bite me after 5 years.
Antivirus: I use nod32 for the last 5 years, I get atleast a virus a week, normally from Teachers surfing or usb sticks. Forefront really demands SCCM (which is a pig)
Got it working!!
My VM client didn't have SP1 Doh!!!!
works a treat.
Cheers mate good blog! Your infrastructure sounds great it's just a shame we have no budget anymore and I'm having to make do with HP Microservers to get the job done!