Completely agree! But we're doing music here not graphics/video work, screen size is more important than gorgeous visuals (although the ctx is pretty nice in that aspect as it's what I use at home).
Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave Plus a better base system to use it with. Your CTX monitors won't be as good as the LCD on an iMac however (cheap TN panels vs IPS).
Well, OK, what if they'd wanted to use Logic instead then? Would you still have tried to sell them the HP kit?
You're saying that there's no reason to use a Mac in a recording environment. I'm saying it depends on the user's requirements.
In your scenario where they're using Cubase and Ableton, I can see that yours is the better way of doing it and cheerfully recommend what you've put up there. I still think that saying that you shouldn't user Macs is over simplifying it though.
Final cut pro is good, granted, but being a video editor, it's not recording suite software so wasn't in consideration when i was writing my post.
Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave I'm just saying that there's no longer a good reason to do so other than 'I like Apple stuff'. and for me that should never be a consideration when the price is so much higher. Not strictly true. If they're specifying a Mac because the tool they want to use is only available for a Mac, I'd say that's a pretty good reason to stick to the Mac myself! For example, we use Final Cut Pro here. You can only get that on a Mac. Yes, there are competitive products but you need to take into account the overall cost of moving to them. It's not just the cost of the hardware, it's the cost of changing your workflow, the cost of learning a new product etc etc etc. Saying there's no reason to buy a Mac other than the shiny factor is over simplifying it.
If all they want to do is use (for example) Photoshop though, your point is valid and a very good one
Agreed! And if they want an Apple box because of the shiny factor, I'll sell them one with a smile on my face. Money is money after all. It's just that these days you get far less bang for your buck if you compare the two platforms.
Also, Ableton Live (my software of choice) runs on both platforms and performs just as well in windows as it does in OSx, Cubase is now available in both platforms (SX7 now takes advantage of hyper threading which would really make the workstation fly - 16 logical cores over 2 CPUs ftw!). In my experience Logic Pro and Cubase are competing for the same role, so it's down to preference, but one isn't better than the other. Protools is the system that stands out, but it's massively more expensive!
As I said, I'm not saying people can't buy the more expensive Apple kit if they want it. I'm just saying that there's no longer a good reason to do so other than 'I like Apple stuff'. and for me that should never be a consideration when the price is so much higher.
Don't get me wrong, you've specced some nice hardware up there but if someone comes along to me and says "I want to use Apple hardware because reason X and I don't want to use a Windows box because reason Y", saying "But the Windows box has better hardware" isn't going to cut the mustard. There is much more to a solution than the hardware it runs on is what I'm trying to say, if someone really does need a Mac, trying to sell them a Windows box is only going to upset them!
That said, if what you've gone for up there does what they want it to do then there's no problem
I always consider Mac Minis, I generally love them. They're made using laptop hardware however and I'd generally say that's not as robust as desktop HW. Certainly it's fine for home use but there's likely to be more of a demand placed on machines in a school environment. Price-wise you're right, they're cheaper, and spec-wise they're not too different from an iMac, but in every other aspect they lose out to the workstation (Limited (and tricky) expandability, lower initial spec, less effective cooling, lack of dual processors). Basically, workstation class machines (including the mac pro) were built for this kind of environment, and the Mac Mini is not.
With regard to my technical reason it's fairly self explanatory I think. The hardware is essentially the same these days, since the advent of intel macs. Whilst the onboard audio codecs in a Mac might be slightly nicer, you're still going to want all of the outboard stuff (interface, MIDI keyboard ect) in order to do things as you wish, at which point the computer is no longer handling the audio, as that comes from the Focusrite.
Whilst I'm an avid Mac lover (My Macbook Pro is my favourite piece of tech) I just don't think the old argument that macs are better can be used any more.
Out of curiosity, did you not consider the Mac Mini? Admittedly in terms of raw CPU power, they don't hold a candle to what you've specced there but they're still comparable to the current line of iMacs and are cheaper if you buy those plus a monitor. That's what we did when we replaced a suit of iMacs for use with Final Cut Pro.
And you've not really given me a technical reason not to use the Macs other than "They're more expensive" either.
Fingers crossed with that.
We certainly are, hence my blog
I bought a Macbook Pro to do music on the move and to use as the base for my home studio and i love it. I just think that these days, the price is prohibitive for most schools and colleges. Not to mention that with the advent of Ableton Live (IMO far better than cubase or logic, and i've used them all extensively) that patching and compatibility are mostly a thing of the past.
...but having used both macs and pcs for several years when it comes to handling music I know which one I'd trust more. No patch Tuesday update surprises or software/hardware compatibility issues.
Admittedly my own personal opinion but everyone's entitled to one ;-)
I was quoting for new iMacs, though that used one is still fairly expensive.
And Cubase SX7 for education can be bought for £195 (Steinberg Cubase 7 Education (Unit Price 10-24)) admittedly for 10-24 users, this still fits with the suite of 25 theme.
I'm adding a couple of new features to the Z600 right now. 12GB configs are the max for single CPU options.
The point I guess is, that for the pice of the iMac, you can get all the gear you'll need with the iMac anyway. Plus a better base system to use it with
Hi - one thing to add, though, would be which software you would use with it. Logic pro x is £140 where a similar solution on a windows box would be a fair amount more. Cubase springs to mind which is nearly £500.
There's a good imac 27" here for £730 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-iMac...item4ad2265de3
I'll concede that that pc is great value but when I looked just now no ssd was available and the max ram was 12gb.