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  1. Mark_martin's Avatar
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    I don't have a clue what your on about but I need to comment on a blog so this is your lucky day.
  2. localzuk's Avatar
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    For anyone who has downloaded the non-MSI version and found it didn't work, I have uploaded a replacement version which fixes this issue.
  3. Edu-IT's Avatar
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    I've found the discs for this sent by Microsoft.
  4. Edu-IT's Avatar
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    I can't see 64-bit on the VLS site though.
  5. localzuk's Avatar
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    Nope, you pay for a license for a version of windows not different bit levels of it.

    So, you buy a license for 'Windows Server 2003 Standard' you have a license for 32 and 64 bit versions.
  6. Edu-IT's Avatar
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    Am I right in saying that a different schools agreement license is needed for 64-bit server installs?
  7. localzuk's Avatar
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    A Select Agreement is a perpetual license. ie. You buy once, and that's it. Although, you can add Software Assurance (ie. the ability to update to new versions) to your select agreement, for a price.

    A Schools Agreement is a yearly subscription, based on the total number of machines in your school. Even if you only use the software on half of them, you still pay for them all.
  8. Edu-IT's Avatar
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    What would be the difference between a Schools Agreement and a Select Agreement?
  9. localzuk's Avatar
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    The word here is 'vendor lock-in'. This is a term used throughout the world when discussing Microsoft. ie. they have worked actively over the last decade, using their position to force people to stay with what they produce - and leveraged that position to force their way into other markets (media players, web browsers). They have also been seen to be using tactics to prevent companies from using other OS's - ie OEM contracts that prevent companies from using other OS's. (Similar to the way Intel has just been fined for offering incentives for only using Intel chips).

    So, what we end up with is a situation where we have schools and businesses who are using their software due to earlier nefarious activity. And the users within those organisations are now so tied into it, they are reluctant to change, regardless of the benefits of other software.

    It'd be like getting someone to change the place they live, even if they were provided with a house which was twice the size, and half the price. People get used to something and don't like to change.
  10. SYNACK's Avatar
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    I think that you are projecting in your above post localzuk. Surely it is the teachers that have you over a barrel. Microsoft is not forcing you to use their software, you have every opertunity to not pay for it and not use it. They will not send armed asult teams if you uninstall it, it is your users that are demanding it.

    Microsoft is not a charity, they are a business, you use their software and expect updates and security fixes. They expect to get money to keep paying their programmers to provide this.

    This is the bizzar thing that I don't get about some open source idealists, the idea that programers have no right to be compensated for their work. Are all developers supposed to work day jobs stocking shelves or something and then only develop in their spare time?

    You may not *want* the Microsoft system but your users obviously do and for better or (probably) worse you must cater for your users wants.

    If your quarrel is about any increase in pricing that has taken place that is valid but given the price of doing business in the EU area the rises are hardly unexpected as the EU fines its way out of its govenments debts one large company at a time.
  11. localzuk's Avatar
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    Sorry but MS do have us over a barrel. We're a small school (620 kids), with 2 years of primary kids, and 2 years of secondary. So our budget is not very large.

    To say that we can't afford the massive prices being quoted is an understatement.

    Changing teachers perceptions of anything new is difficult, not just an operating system. Introducing anything new, anywhere in a school results in the usual 'digging the heals in'. Microsoft are capitalising on this. Rather than providing us with a system we *want*, we are provided with a system that we're stuck with.
  12. BrianG's Avatar
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    I'm not sure Microsoft have us over a barrel. They are trying to make the best, most easy to use software available. Surely that is the aim of any company, to create a product that is successful and appealing to a wide market. The problem seems to lie with end users, who either can't or don't want to learn new software and a new OS. We have the same problem. I've been spending some time looking at Edubuntu for on of our primaries and the difficulty is getting hte staff to give it a chance, purely because it doesn't have a start button ! and that's only to be used in a small selection of classrooms, not school wide.
  13. rolfea's Avatar
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    Are they doing it in 2009 and when? somtime around Halloween i'm guessing?
  14. mavhc's Avatar
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    How much does the voicemail/imap stuff cost with cisco? Does anyone use the computer dialing via TAPI, how much is that?

    Also anyone got SIP clients to work with cisco? In the interface there's a SIP IP, but it never connects for me.
  15. TYO's Avatar
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    We use VOIP internally. all cisco. hardphones for everyone in the offices. all teachers have softphones built in to their laptops (not used very often.) SLT, IT and FM have PDA's joined to the VOIP system using wireless. and everyone loves their voicemail being mailed to them.

    difficult to support though. we are an independant academy.
  16. FN-GM's Avatar
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    My school including others in our area use VOIP, but we are all on an independent system. We are not dictated to by our LEA we are left to it
  17. Domino's Avatar
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    oooh, BETT 2009 Edu-Thrill anyone....?
  18. My220x's Avatar
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    Looks like some good fun
  19. srochford's Avatar
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    it would be interesting to know just how much is spent on calls within an LEA or to other schools. If there aren't many calls made then there may not be much in the way of savings potential. By definition, the numbers called are going to be local so there may not be huge costs.

    Janet has a project going to look at how VoIP can be used over the academic network to link universities etc - some of what comes out of this may be appropriate for schools and LEAs

    I suspect a big problem will be getting it all configured. Most companies that set up a VoIP system won't be terribly interested in adding this sort of functionality - essentially, you're going to have to have some sort of routing which works out that numbers in a particular range (or in a table) don't go out through the normal ISDN line but go out to the WAN. There then has to be something which makes a connection (SIP??) to the appropriate switch for each of the parties you're going to call.

    None of this is impossible; I think you probably have enough skill to set it up for yourself but that doesn't make it easy for us mere mortals :-)

    What may be cheaper to do is to negotiate with the phone company for preferential rates for school to school calls. Depending on the size of the LEA and the bargaining skills of the purchasing people it should be possible to get pretty good rates (eg we have a mobile deal which I think gives us free calls between mobiles on the contract)
  20. plexer's Avatar
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    Norfolk LEA have moved over to voip for their internal systems I think and I keep meaning to have a chat with them about being able to call them via the county wide wan or to do inter school just like we can with vc maybe I will do that after half term.

    Is there a right up of your asterisk system anywhere?
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